Worst RV Camping Fails Ever! Misery Loves Company

Unknown Speaker (0:02): This week on episode six zero eight of the RV podcast

Mike Wendland (0:05): We learned that misery loves company, and we're not alone in making dumb, expensive, and embarrassing mistakes as we shared in last week's episode. That episode opened the floodgates, and our audience came through with some of the most relatable, cringeworthy RV mistakes we've ever heard of.

Jennifer (0:25): But by hearing them this week, hopefully, you will avoid the same expensive lessons. That's coming up in this week's conversation of the week.

Mike Wendland (0:34): So hello, everybody, and welcome to the RV podcast. I'm Mike Wendland, and this is my cohost, my lifelong traveling companion, and my bride, Jennifer. Hello, my dear.

Jennifer (0:44): Hello, mister Mike. And this is the RV podcast stories from the road edition. You can find complete show notes for this episode at rvpodcast.com. And remember, we release two episodes every week. This edition, stories from the road, focuses on RV lifestyle, the people, places, and experiences that make life on the road so special.

Jennifer (1:06): And every Monday, we bring you our RV news edition covering the biggest stories of the week that impact your travels.

Mike Wendland (1:14): This episode is making us feel not quite so dumb.

Unknown Speaker (1:19): Oh, now we can't call all this news dumb.

Mike Wendland (1:21): No. But we felt pretty dumb when we went completely clean with all the mistakes that we've made last week. And, boy, everybody was so encouraging because they said, hey. You're not the only one. And we collected so many of them.

Mike Wendland (1:37): And it's interesting as we read them, some of them are pretty funny, but some of them are pretty sad. But we realized that most of those mistakes, if not all, could be avoided by just following some procedures, a checklist, and we're gonna talk about that a whole lot too. So we're gonna get right to that in just a moment. But a quick reminder, peak travel season is coming up fast. The Memorial Day weekend's almost here.

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Jennifer (3:17): The response was overwhelming. RVs from all over wrote in to say, oh, we've done that too, and then shared a few disasters of their own.

Mike Wendland (3:26): So this week, Desiree loves company. That episode opened the floodgates, and mistakes you sent in are some of the most relatable and, as we say, cringeworthy mistakes that we've ever heard.

Jennifer (3:38): But here's the good news. Every single one of these mistakes is a free lesson, and that's exactly what we have for you in this week's stories from the road conversation of the week.

Mike Wendland (3:49): Now we outlined a whole bunch of the mistakes we made in right away. Somebody named Jay Breck wrote about us, and these are the people giving everybody advice. This is pretty funny, but, yeah, it was us telling you. And we're not alone, though, in that. Right?

Unknown Speaker (4:05): You kinda said to you, is it good to share this honestly, these things that we have done? But you guys made us feel good.

Mike Wendland (4:10): Yeah. We had somebody named comfortable. Van Can Do wrote back, and he says, Mike, I got the solution for you. Go back to your van. Because all of the mistakes we had were basically made the most expensive ones were with our fifth wheel.

Mike Wendland (4:22): But we got a lot of really good encouraging comments as well.

Unknown Speaker (4:25): Alyssa said, thanks for sharing the hard stuff. All our viewers make the mistakes, but few wanna share them. You two are so good with sharing and working together. You had us laughing out loud.

Mike Wendland (4:36): We weren't laughing at the time, but we can now. Patricia wrote, we also have had a few mistakes with our 2016 MicroLite. My husband was using the black tank flush connector. He hooks up the hose and proceeds to move on to another task. Suddenly, groundwater is flowing out of the vent on our trailer.

Mike Wendland (4:57): Water is flooding inside the bathroom cabinet all over the floor. Thank goodness we had a lot of towels, so mopping up was a great help. After the cleanup, we went straight to a laundromat, but there were a lot of mishaps about sewers. And we had some mistakes that people wrote about that were downright funny. RV community member, Bert, who said his biggest mistake was getting that RV tattoo of a class a before we decided to instead get a fifth wheel.

Mike Wendland (5:26): That's like putting another woman's name on your tattoo when you meet your future bride afterwards. Yeah.

Jennifer (5:33): Then there was a shocker from Cynthia. We have made our share of mistakes. And then last week, my husband went to get our RV from the place we keep it off season. He walks in the door and says, it's gone. We are devastated.

Jennifer (5:47): Someone stole our 26 foot travel trailer. It is two years old. Out of the whole lot of RVs, they took ours. Our mistake, we discovered we had not insured it. It was the first RV we paid cash for, and somehow we had forgotten to insure it.

Jennifer (6:04): Ugh. The whole thing.

Unknown Speaker (6:06): Yeah. Both of them thought it was insured. Yeah. I don't know what to say about that, but RV theft is a big problem. And we've heard about this from other people who've dropped their RVs off for storage, they come back, and they're gone.

Unknown Speaker (6:20): But that would be scary. The worst part is not having it insured. And because, like, I can see you get so much paperwork. When you finance

Unknown Speaker (6:27): it, it's easy. It's insured when you finance it. And if you bought them before and financed it, But when you paid cash, the ball went to your court.

Mike Wendland (6:36): Alright. Here's another one. This came from somebody named Seabliss, and they were commenting on our YouTube channel something that we shared last week that we did. You forgot to put the tailgate down after you unhook the RV. You pull it out, fifth wheel RV, and it says Seabliss.

Mike Wendland (6:54): It ripped out the front basement door of the fifth wheel. We also did the back window thing. That's what we also confessed that we did when we turned too sharp, and it was too much of an angle, and the front of the fifth wheel took out the back window of my truck. Anyway, this guy had the same thing. He said that we put a leg through a skylight once when removing an RV cover up on the roof.

Mike Wendland (7:18): We haven't done that one yet.

Unknown Speaker (7:20): I don't want you on the roof.

Unknown Speaker (7:21): This is the worst mistakes makes for the best campfire stories. Isn't isn't that the truth? That's the attitude you have to have on this thing is that, okay. It's gonna make a good campfire story or a podcast episode sometime. Right?

Jennifer (7:33): There you go. Now CVX says, I've seen someone leave their slide out driving down the road.

Mike Wendland (7:40): Oh my goodness. Wonder how that happened. I wonder if they forgot or maybe it wouldn't go back in and they just

Unknown Speaker (7:45): Or maybe it slid out on its own, but I don't.

Mike Wendland (7:48): Don't know. Boy, that's a tough one. Carolyn, our last RV mistake was costly, $17,000 plus. We had just bought a little f one fifty. We got it to pull the trailer only.

Mike Wendland (8:01): We were leaving Lakeside at Hoards Creek Lake to go into town. I was reading the owner's manual. I wanted to know what that button was for. It was a camera button. As I looked up to push the button, I screamed, stop, a blood curdling scream.

Mike Wendland (8:18): Unknowingly, my husband was helping me read. And when I screamed, he hit the gas and the gate. We took the gate with us, and State Farm totaled the pickup. Oh my gosh. So he hit the gas instead of the brake.

Mike Wendland (8:33): He looking at the screen.

Unknown Speaker (8:35): That can happen very easily.

Mike Wendland (8:37): Yeah. I wonder. I bet campground owners could tell us a lot about mistakes.

Unknown Speaker (8:41): Make sense for next week's Yeah. Campground Campground tale.

Unknown Speaker (8:44): Yeah. If you're if you're a work camper at a campground or if you own a campground, write some of the things that you've seen people do. I think the more I hear these, the more I don't quite feel so bad about the mistakes that we've made. Yeah. Alright.

Unknown Speaker (8:56): What's next?

Jennifer (8:57): This is from Tim. I drove away from my spot while still plugged into the pedestal. Fortunately, the plug released without damaging anything, and nobody was watching.

Mike Wendland (9:07): Yes. We heard from a lot of people that did the same thing. Jeff says, did this too, and I'm an electrician.

Jennifer (9:13): No. And Cindy wrote to say she had witnessed a camping neighbor pulling out of a full hookup spot without disconnecting the hookups. That dude destroyed his camper connections, ripped the pole out, had water spraying everywhere, cost the RV park thousands, shut the electric and water down to most of the park for hours and made a big mess. Plus, the campers coming in could not use a spot, and the rest of the park was full.

Unknown Speaker (9:41): Oh my goodness. Talk about a ripple effect. Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh. That's not good.

Mike Wendland (9:46): No. Here's one from Rita. It says we were backing our fifth wheel into a tight spot. I wasn't go it wasn't going well, and my husband and I were getting grumpy, yelling. We finally get in, When we start to put our slide out, we realize it won't go out because we're right up against the power hookup box.

Mike Wendland (10:06): Needless to say, we check first now. We did entertain the group next door.

Unknown Speaker (10:12): Hasn't everybody done that? Pulled in and then went, ugh, we've got slides. Yeah. Especially when you first get slides and you haven't had them before.

Mike Wendland (10:21): All these mistakes, so many people took time to say, hey. It's looked like Joanna. She says, it's not dumb. It's just being a beginner. I don't know how many campers I have seen with telltale marks on their side from turning into a gas station, getting to the pump, but forgetting the trailer is behind them.

Mike Wendland (10:40): But forgetting the trailer is still behind the pump when pulling straight, dragging the trailer on that nice yellow metal boundary that all stations have. Same with pulling onto any road. Go wide on your trailer and hit the curb. Go wide or your trailer will hit the curb. Good luck.

Mike Wendland (11:00): Towing was a big issue for many people. For example, this one from Mark.

Jennifer (11:05): Thirty minutes ago, I sideswiped the fence posts, damaged the fiberglass exterior, trash the heater and water heater covers, demolished the door rail handle, 2 to $3,000 worth of damage. And seconds, lesson, swing wide.

Mike Wendland (11:22): Swing wide. Mhmm. Alright. Here's one that'll make you laugh, but I bet it didn't to Patty who shared this story with us. The big mistake was leaving your wife at the gas station and heading south on the interstate without without her phone and driving 10 miles before he found out she wasn't in the RV.

Unknown Speaker (11:45): That was me. Make sure your wife is in the RV before you leave. I've seen signs saying that. Check your antenna. It should be down.

Unknown Speaker (11:53): As you leave a campground, wife in the RV. But I guess that really did happen. At least to Patty, it did.

Unknown Speaker (11:59): I can see how that could happen. Very easily, I can see

Unknown Speaker (12:02): that happen.

Unknown Speaker (12:02): Yeah. Guys get in the box.

Unknown Speaker (12:04): That would be a hard one to live down.

Jennifer (12:06): Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, DF frames, locking yourself out of the RV only to get a ladder and push the wife through the window. Then walking around to the driver's door to find it unlocked. Can't imagine what the neighbors were thinking.

Unknown Speaker (12:21): Oh, I said that. Or your wife. Yeah. Here's one from Carrie.

Jennifer (12:26): I think the single most common error I see is failing to put down a TV antenna. I have seen others failing to retract an awning, failing to unhook power or plumbing hoses before driving off. Most recently I saw a newbie unhitch his trailer but not his safety chains and then he tried to move his tow car to park it beside the trailer. The easiest way to avoid these issues is to use checklists and then make a last walk around before moving anything.

Mike Wendland (12:58): Boy, that is a good time for me to jump in and remind you of something that is very important. Have you noticed the theme here? So many of these mistakes happened because people were not following a routine, not using a checklist, and that is why we have spent the last week programming a new app that will solve that problem, and I'm really excited about it. We call it the Camp Buddy, and we're releasing it for the very first time right now with this podcast episode. You can think about the Camp Buddy as your campsite copilot.

Jennifer (13:33): It walks you through every setup step and every breakdown customized to your rig, your travel style, and even today's weather. Rain, cold, wind. Camp Buddy adds steps you need. Traveling in a motor home, fifth wheel, travel trailer, it knows the difference.

Mike Wendland (13:51): And here's how simple it is. You tap arrive and set up when you pull in. Check off each step as you go. Done. Ready to roll.

Mike Wendland (14:00): Tap break, camp, and leave. Stow, dump, hitch, walk around, nothing forgotten, all the things you gotta do in a checklist. We list all the big things that you should check. We offer tips and safety notes, but we also left room in this app that you can change the order of any of these steps to your own preference. You can add your own items to the checklist.

Unknown Speaker (14:23): You can put it on your phone, your tablet. It's a web based app. You can sync it. All of them sync up immediately as soon as you put something on it. And then when you get done with all that, you just hit a little clear button, and then you can start over again at the next campsite if you want.

Mike Wendland (14:37): There's nothing like this for RVers.

Jennifer (14:40): We use our own hard learned lessons to program this app.

Mike Wendland (14:44): The best part, as I say, it's a web app, so you don't have to download anything. No App Store. You just save it to your home screen. It works on your phone, your tablet, your laptop. Everything syncs across all of your devices.

Mike Wendland (14:57): Do us a favor. Just go look it up and take a look at it and see if this isn't something that will make your life easier. You won't make these mistakes if you follow a checklist. Rvlifestyle.com/campbuddy. That's where you get the app.

Mike Wendland (15:12): Rvlifestyle.com/campbuddy. It's in the description below. Alright. Back to those mistakes that you've been sharing with us. Harry wrote this on our rvcommunity.com.

Jennifer (15:23): In a state park campground, arrived after dark, passed our site, went to back up instead of driving around the loop again and backed into a tree. Lesson learned, always just go around again. It's so tempting to back up. Oh. When you try to do the backup thing, boy, that's usually when mistakes happen.

Mike Wendland (15:42): Yep. Yep. We've got more. And pulling away, thinking the fifth wheel was hooked up, it came smashing down on the truck, damaging both the bed of the truck and the cap of the trailers. We had a lot of people who had problems with their stairs.

Jennifer (16:02): Jimbo forgot to put his steps up. 30 from my his camp spot, someone drove up at a stop sign and told him that they were down. A lot of damage. And if they had ripped off on the road, they could have caused a massive accident to the traffic behind. Now they follow a checklist.

Mike Wendland (16:21): There you go. See, they gotta get that checklist. We had issues. We talked about last week when I put DEF into my fuel tank by mistake. Peter wrote, I put DEF in my f three fifty while on a trip to Missouri, left at a Ford dealer in Missouri to repair it.

Mike Wendland (16:37): I picked the truck up three weeks later, and on the way home to North Carolina, I noticed a fuel leak. Took it to the dealer I bought the truck from, and they found DEF was still in the tank, So the whole fuel system had to be replaced again. Says he was fortunate that State Farm covered both repairs under his comprehensive coverage. And for those who happen to put DEF in your tank, he says, don't turn the key. Call for an immediate toll.

Mike Wendland (17:04): That will reduce the cost substantially as they all will need as all they'll have as all they will need to do is drain and flush the tank.

Jennifer (17:14): So should we talk about awnings now? Oh, boy. Garvin, I've made a lot of expensive RV mistakes too. One of the most embarrassing, I drove off with my awning open. I won't go into the gory details, but suffice to say, it cost me a lot of time and money.

Mike Wendland (17:32): And then there was Gina and Dale leaving my awnings out when I'm not at RV. Stooge me had hailstorm come through and fill them like giant sails full of water and hail. Stood inside the RV with the door open to try and close and empty them. They collapsed and tens of gallons of water funneled right into our RV.

Jennifer (17:54): Oh, that's a sad tale. Laura, we left our awning out, and some wind came through during the night. Felt like a semi hit the trailer. And, of course, it fell over the door, so we couldn't get out. We put it in every night now.

Mike Wendland (18:09): Yeah. We don't even walk away for even five, ten minutes with the awning out because we've heard so many of these stories. Yeah. Here's one that came from Runaway Train. He says something I've added to my hookup and unhookup checklist routines when doing an important step.

Mike Wendland (18:24): When I put the pin in the hitch out loud, I say, putting in the pin. I forgot it once. I would say, putting in the DEF out loud to help me focus. I also use a checklist.

Jennifer (18:39): There were a lot of people talking about mistakes while backing up with a spotter, but one that really stood out

Mike Wendland (18:46): Oh, man. This is a good one. Fran, a couple in the new Cougar fifth wheel were backing in across the street from us at the campground. Wife got out and walked around back to supposedly direct. Husband behind the wheel kept screaming, I can't see you in the mirrors.

Unknown Speaker (19:02): She yelled back, I see you. That went on for a few minutes. Finally, he sees her. Then she screams, left. No.

Mike Wendland (19:11): Left, stupid. She didn't use hand signals. She's waving her arms and is really upset. And by now, the entire campground was watching. Their voices got louder and louder, and finally, he gets out and stomped over back to her.

Mike Wendland (19:25): I swear, she hauls off and slugs him right alongside the hedge. Obscenities were being shouted. We were about to call the police. Finally, they both clamped back in the car, and they pull out. Finally, they both clamped back to the truck, and they pull out to embarrass the camp.

Mike Wendland (19:43): The spectators applauded as they left. It's so much easier if people practice and use a cell phone instead of screaming. I think that's right.

Unknown Speaker (19:53): Oh, that's the truth. I get back there and you say, I can't see you. Yes. I'm seeing you in your mirror. So it's hard for me to believe if I can see you in that mirror that you can't see me.

Mike Wendland (20:05): Yeah. And that's why we do use cell phones. Some people use walkie talkies, but cell phones are much easier because the guy that's the person that's driving can have it play through the entertainment system of the truck and be hands free as you're backing up.

Unknown Speaker (20:16): We were parking once, and some buddies later said to me, my wife and I use a phone. Sometimes we use a phone too. Yeah. And then sometimes we don't, and see what happens when we don't.

Unknown Speaker (20:27): See what happens when

Unknown Speaker (20:28): we don't. Okay. Now from Edna, My rule for me is if I am getting tired, I pull over and stay at a hotel. It's cheaper than an accident. Also, leave one to two days earlier than needed.

Mike Wendland (20:39): Boy, that is a great tip. With so many times, we just rush through because we gotta get to campground, and we don't wanna lose our deposit or whatever. And we make mistakes. We arrive after dark. We could get stuck by weather or that's when mistakes happen.

Unknown Speaker (20:54): So just stay over. Don't worry about

Jennifer (20:56): it. I think that is my favorite tip. If you're having a rough time of it, get a room if possible, and don't make that mistake because the inconvenience and the cost, not worth it.

Mike Wendland (21:07): So all of these mistakes that everybody's been sharing, that we've been sharing, I like the perspective that h two o Fowler wrote. He says, look. That's called paying for an education and life lessons. Again, use the checklist. Please go see the because of all this, we wrote this app, and I can say it's out for the first time right now with this.

Mike Wendland (21:27): Just go look it over and use it. It will save you time and from making these mistakes. Rvlifestyle.com/campbuddy. That's the address to learn all about our app. And that's the beauty of this community.

Mike Wendland (21:42): We share the pain so you don't have to feel it. Right?

Unknown Speaker (21:46): That's true. Alright. Alright. Hey. If you're like us, you're getting a little worn out paying top dollar for crowded RV parks.

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Mike Wendland (22:59): Head to rvlifestyle.com/rvovernights and use that promo code RVL deal to save 40%. Time now for the RV questions of the week, and the first one is somebody seeking Jennifer's know how. And the question is this, how do you find a campsite you'll actually love, not just one with an opening? And this came in through Janet.

Jennifer (23:23): Okay. The biggest thing is it level. Check reviews. Campground apps do this. That's probably the first thing people note when reviewing.

Mike Wendland (23:33): Now if we can drive around and pick an open site, that's probably the best way if we can actually see it ourselves. And sometimes they'll let you do that when you get into a site if they have openings.

Jennifer (23:42): I also look for sites that not corners where there's a lot more traffic. Sites that aren't next to a kid's playground unless you got kids. We don't have kids. You don't need to be near the playground or other noisy areas. And because we use Starlink, sites where our little dish can get a clear view of the sky, sites not with trees right over where we're gonna park.

Unknown Speaker (24:04): When we travel in a small motor home, we try to get sites close to restrooms and laundry facilities.

Unknown Speaker (24:10): But now in our fifth wheel, we have a nice big shower and our own washer and dryer, so we tend to look for more secluded spots.

Mike Wendland (24:17): Hope that helps. We have a question that came in from Tyler, who lives in Maryland, and he says, have RV parks gotten worse, or are RVers just expecting too much? It's a great question, and I think the answer is yes to both of them. Some RV parks really have gotten worse. Prices are way up.

Mike Wendland (24:36): We're seeing more crowded sites, less maintenance, aging infrastructure, weak Wi Fi that they advertised as premium, campgrounds charging resort prices without delivering that kind of an experience. We stayed at places recently that wanted 90 to $140 a night, and honestly, the experience didn't match that price tag. Tight sites, broken picnic tables, muddy roads, no shade. What else do we experience?

Jennifer (25:05): Noisy neighbors and just rules everywhere. A lot of RVers feel like they're paying more and getting less, But at the same time, I also think RVers expectations have changed dramatically. Years ago, most people were happy just to have full hookups and a level site near a lake or a trail. And now some RVers expect every campground to feel like a luxury resort with flawless Internet, perfect landscaping, huge sites, pickleball courts, food trucks, and instant customer service.

Mike Wendland (25:36): And I think that's a lot of that's because of social media. It's really changed expectations too. All of these ditzy little influencers are showing themselves in glamorous settings in resort to parks. Everybody thinks they're all like that, and they're not. Those Instagram perfect RV parks are few and far between, but a lot of people think because of that that every campground should look like that.

Mike Wendland (25:58): And let's face it. Most campgrounds are still campgrounds. They're not four star resorts.

Jennifer (26:05): And there's another factor nobody likes to talk about. RVers themselves have changed. The RV boom brought millions of new campers into the lifestyle. Most are wonderful people, but campground owners will quietly tell you they're dealing with more complaints, more entitlements, more rule breaking, more people blasting music, letting dogs bark, cutting through campsites, arriving late, leaving trash behind. That affects the experience for everybody.

Mike Wendland (26:34): Yeah. I think the biggest complaint I keep hearing about over and over again is people who just cut through campsites. It's so rude, and they let their kids do that. There is that entitlement factor out there. What I think happened is this, prices went up and expectations went up.

Mike Wendland (26:51): Crowds went up and patients went down, and that's the combination that creates so much frustration out there. Now seeing all of this stuff, we still do find fantastic campgrounds all over America. Some of our favorite places are county parks or core of engineer parks, state parks, little family owned campgrounds and hidden gems that aren't trying to be luxury resorts.

Jennifer (27:15): The key is matching expectations to reality. If you want peace and nature, don't book next to a water park campground on a holiday weekend and expect silence. If you want luxury amenities, understand you're probably gonna pay for them. And if you want a better camping experience overall, sometimes the best thing you can do is slow down, stay longer, and stop chasing the perfect campground.

Mike Wendland (27:41): Because, honestly, the the perfect campground usually isn't the one with the lazy river. It's the one where you sit outside at sunset and don't wanna leave. Alright. That's the podcast for this episode. You have questions?

Mike Wendland (27:53): You have comments? You can reach us under the contact tab at r v podcast dot com, or just write it in the description below where it says for comments right there. Thank you guys so much for listening and watching. If you enjoyed this episode, we would really appreciate it if you take a moment and leave us a kind review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're tuning in. Your feedback helps us grow and reach more listeners just like you.

Mike Wendland (28:18): Thanks so much.

Unknown Speaker (28:19): Happy trails.