The Coming Cicada Apocalypse: What RVers Can Expect

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- This week on the RV podcast,

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- Are you ready for the
great cicada apocalypse?

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We'll talk to one of North
America's top experts about

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what you may encounter
soon on your camping trips.

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- And can creditors seize
your RV if you go bankrupt,

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even if it's your full-time home?

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They did for an Arizona couple,
and we'll tell you about it.

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- National Park Week is almost here,

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and that means free entry

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and lots of festivities at national parks

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starting this Saturday, April 20th,

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- All this plus the RV News of the week.

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- And your questions
coming up in episode 4 93

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of the RV podcast.

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Hello everybody. I'm Mike.

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We, and this is my lifelong
traveling companion

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and my bride Jennifer.

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And yes, we still are under the weather.

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- We keep sharing germs.

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They go back and forth, so, oh my gosh.

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Forgive me if I cough.

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- , I should say up.
- So now you cough.

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- Yeah, now I cough. Um, yeah,
we've been swapping this drum

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for two weeks now, and,
uh, it got so bad for me.

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I had, this is the first time
I've not been able to do, uh,

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an ask us anything.

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I was just too much under
the weather, so we missed it.

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This, uh, this past, uh, uh, Sunday.

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Hopefully we'll be back
next Sunday with more.

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Um, but it's been a bugger
getting rid of this, isn't it?

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- Yeah. I think it's more
like three weeks. Yeah.

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- Oh, well, but
- Who's counting

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- And who's gonna complain?

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But we did see a bumper sticker
coming outta the doctor's

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appointment today that
kinda, uh, helped us

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to realize we don't wanna complain. It

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- Said, keep up your complaining and

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- God will let you live longer.

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. So, I
get it. I get it. Okay.

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that we started over the weekend.

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Uh, we have, uh, let's see, the
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uh, April 17th.

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- And then what are we gonna do? Well,

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- I don't know.

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There's a lot of different
RVs out there, but, uh, true.

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We wanna go camping in ours.

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Uh, we brought our fifth
wheel home from Tennessee last

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week, and it's, uh, sitting
out there calling me.

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So I'm ready if you're ready.

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- I can't believe
- You've been home a week.

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And what did you say today? I'd like

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- To go someplace even
- Though we're sick.

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Yeah. Uh, and,

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and this we may not be our normal

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bulent chit chatters in this podcast today

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because, uh, we, we tend to both cough

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and our voices are a little

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- Strange. I'm trying not to cough.

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- Yep. And it's, it's hard.

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Um, but hey, um, uh, check
out that podcast thing

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Uh, we're at youtube.com/rv lifestyle.

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And by the way, we love to get your

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comments and your questions.

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Our private email is Mike
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When we, when we come
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RV Social Media Buzz with Wendy Boyer.

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Welcome back time now for
the social media buzz.

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You know, we get, I think,
more comments these days on

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how much everybody's enjoying
these social media recaps

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that Wendy Boyer, our, uh,

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social media community
head there over on Facebook

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that she puts together for us.

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So she has does a great job

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- And there's much wisdom

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to be gained from listening to this.

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- Alright, so here's
Wendy on the hot issues.

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Most talked about this past week.

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- Hi everybody over in our RV lifestyle,

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community cooking exchange space.

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We had a question from James recently,

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and he asked, what do you do

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with seasonings to keep them fresh?

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You know, you're out there in the rig.

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There's all these different
temperature fluctuations,

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and he was concerned about this.

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So lots of people chimed in.

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Doreen was one of many who
said, during the camping season,

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she just leaves it all
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doesn't worry about it, but
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to keep the freshness.

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Uh, despina, I love what she wrote.

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She sounds like she's very
serious about her spices,

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making her own blends.

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And then when she's cooking
with them, she, uh, takes a pan.

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She kinda does a dry heat to kind of bring

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that flavor out when she's cooking.

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And she says, you know, she
uses an airtight container

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and it's fine, but she also
brings them in off season.

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And Brenda said she did once
have some spice a spice go bad

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when she was out RVing.

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Um, and so she suggested

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that James put some rice in his spice, um,

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container depending on what
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and that should help with the freshness.

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So some ideas there for our RV chefs.

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Um, also in our RV lifestyle
community, we had a post

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by Paul in our travel
planning and trip space.

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And I love this post and it
really got people talking.

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So Paul is planning a big epic
bucket list trip this summer.

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We're talking 6,000 miles.

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He's starting in North Carolina,

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going all the way up that East Coast.

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He's gonna be hitting Maine,
new Brunswick, Nova Scotia,

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prince Edward Island.

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He's even going to Newfoundland

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and he's going to be there
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How exciting is that?

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So he was just sharing
this with, um, the group.

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And many people were
excited for him to be able

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to make a trip like this.

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Um, Ken send, make sure you
eat lots of lobster for him.

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And many people, including Tina, Sheila,

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and others, said, please
share your pictures with us.

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And Paul said he will.

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And that's one thing I
love about the community,

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is just there's true
friendships being formed there,

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and people really do wanna
see pictures of his adventure.

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So I can't wait to see those. Paul.

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And then meanwhile over
in our Facebook group,

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we had a post from Amber

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and she said, how firm is
the 10 year rule in RV parks?

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And what she's talking about is a rule

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that some campgrounds have prohibiting RVs

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that are more than 10 years
old from camping there.

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And Amber has an older rig
and she's, she's concerned.

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So this sparked a big discussion.

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We're talking more than 300 comments.

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And the bottom line is
enforcement really varies.

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Bob said he experienced this
at a campground in Las Vegas.

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They wouldn't even let him.

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They wouldn't even consider
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'cause his rigs more than 10 years old.

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And Diana, she camps a lot in resorts.

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And she said that in 10 years of camping,

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only two times has she run into a place

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that did not have this rule.

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And Mark said, you know,

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if the park's advertising
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then you better believe they're going to,

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you know, put that into action.

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But the good news is, most
campgrounds don't have this rule.

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If you're camping in a state

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or federal campground, no problem.

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Private campgrounds, they might
have, um, they might ask you

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for a picture of your rig.

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If your rigs more than 10 years old,

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you show them the picture
that your rigs nice,

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well maintained, cared for,
then no problem staying there.

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So, um, good question from Amber

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and, uh, hopefully her mind is at ease.

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So that's it for me this week.

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I'm Wendy Boyer,

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and I'll see you over at the RV Lifestyle

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Community or Facebook group.

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- Well, thank you very much, Wendy Boyer.

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As always, we appreciate
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And it's fun to look at
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- Yeah, I love to see
people share their mm-Hmm,

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Welcome back everybody.

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Time now for the RV interview of the week.

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- And for the first time in 221 years,

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two different brews of cicadas
are emerging this spring

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that could leave as many of those one

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and a half million cicadas
per acre in some areas. Now,

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- How do they know that?

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Does somebody count 'em? Well, yes.

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As a matter of fact, our guest counts 'em.

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He, he's a cicada counter.

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Now for our viewers who
will be out camping,

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what should you expect out there in

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what the media is calling
the cicada apocalypse?

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To help us prepare

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and learn more, we have a very special

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guest on our show today, Dr.

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Jean Ksky.

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He is an entomologist and a
cicada expert from Mount St.

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Joseph University in
Cincinnati, Ohio. And Dr.

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Kresky says, this is a big deal.

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- Well, Dr. Kresky, it's a pleasure

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to have you with us on the

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- Podcast today.

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- Let's, let's just sort
of start with, we've heard

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so much about this, uh,
basic questions and back.

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What is a cicada?

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Uh, what do they look like
and what's their lifecycle?

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We'll start with that.

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- Well, uh, periodical cicadas belong

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to the insect order hempter,

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and that's as technical, let's get with

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that, that type of material.

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Uh, but they are closely related
to things like, uh, aphids,

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bed bugs, stink bugs.

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They're sucking insects.

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Uh, and, uh, they're on
3,400 species worldwide.

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And there are seven species
of periodical cicadas

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that live only in the eastern
half of the United States.

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Uh, we, in addition to
the periodical scs, many

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of the states have annual
cicadas that will be merging in,

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in, uh, oh, probably around
the 1st of July to mid-July

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through, uh, September.

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But the periodical SCADAs will
coming out in May, late April

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or early May, depending where, where,

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where we're seeing the expecting
the population to emerge.

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And, um, uh, what makes these
insects somewhat special is

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that they have these
incredible life cycles.

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It's the longest life
cycle of an insect species

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for everyone in the, in the species.

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For example, some termites,
uh, termite queens can live up

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to 50 years, but not the workers .

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They don't get the
pleasure that long life.

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But, uh, uh, we have, uh, two
life cycles, 17 year cicadas,

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which are more northern in
their distribution compared

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to the 13 year cicadas.

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And, uh, why this year is
getting all the attention is

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that we have two different broods.

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And a brood is a year class.

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It's like, uh, uh, all the cicadas

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that come out in a particular
year that designates a brood.

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And it's almost like the
graduating class of 2024.

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They'll have a reunion in,

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in 17 years, if you will, .

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And so, uh, uh, we have two
broods emerging brooded, uh, 13,

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which is a 17 year cicada that'll be

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merging in northern Illinois.

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And, and, uh, uh, northwestern Indiana.

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Southern was extreme, Southern Wisconsin

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and northeastern Iowa.

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And then brewed 19, which
is a 13 year cicada,

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goes all the way from
central Illinois, almost all

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of Missouri, a swath through
the southern states, uh, uh,

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Arkansas, Kentucky, Western
Kentucky, middle of Tennessee,

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northern Mississippi,
Alabama, Georgia, Georgia,

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and into South Carolina, North Carolina.

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Just a few, a few spots in Virginia, uh,

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and one county in Maryland.

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And, uh, why this is
exciting is, um, number one,

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the last time these two
broods came out together was

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in 1803.

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We had Thomas Jefferson as president

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of the United States at that time.

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And, uh, second unlike other
times when these dual broods

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come out, which happens about 30, a 30

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or more times over the course
of a 200 year period, uh, uh,

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they actually have an area

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where there'll be a slight overlap.

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And that's creating a lot
of excitement for people.

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- Lemme just back it up when
we talk about, you know,

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13 years, 17 years, what are
they doing during that time?

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They're just in the
soil. Uh, where are they?

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And they're still alive,
but we don't see 'em.

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Uh, where do they go?

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- That's right. Uh, uh, during,

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later in the summer when
the eggs hatch, the egg,

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the nymphs, uh, which are about, uh, oh,

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about three millimeters in
ville, drop to the ground

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and immediately go underground.

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Uh, they're very
susceptible to spiders, ants

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and beetles, uh, when they
come out as, as immatures.

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And they, for the first few weeks,

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they'll be feeding on grassroots,
just below the surface.

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And then by New Year's day,
they'll be eight to 12 inches

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below the surface, sucking on a tree root.

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Uh, they're not hibernating,
they're not sleeping.

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They're, they're slow,
they're not very active

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because it's cooler down there.

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But they'll be down
there, uh, uh, tunneling,

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feeding on a tree root,
moving to another tree root.

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And then, uh,

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they'll be molting four
times shedding their skin

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underground and turning to
the next immature stage.

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And then as they get older,
they'll move a little closer.

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So right now they're probably
between, oh, I'd say four

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and eight inches below the surface,

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the ones that are coming out this year.

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And, uh, uh, just, uh, what,

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what really seems like
there's going on right now,

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because it's still spring,
even though the temperature's

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been warm, our trees
haven't leaked out yet.

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And they count the numbers of years

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by monitoring the fluid flow in the tree.

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And so they still think it's 16 years.

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It's not until later in the
spring when the leaves, uh,

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start to form and the
trees produce their flowers

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that they'll realize, ah, it's
17 years, we gotta get going.

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- It's amazing, though, that
their clock, whatever clock

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that is, that insects have
is that precise that we know.

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Mm-Hmm, . So
they emerge from the soil,

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and then that's when we'll see them

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and I suppose, hear them.

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What do they do? They
obviously go eat the leaves

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or they, what do they do?

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- Well, they, they, they have, uh, uh,

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they have sucking mouth parts.

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So they don't, they don't chew the leaves,

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but they do eat, uh, they
literally are able to puncture

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with their, with their
sucking mouth parts.

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They can puncture just
below the bark and get,

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and remain hydrated.

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That's very important for them.

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But what they wanna do is
as soon as they come out

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of the ground, they'll
find a vertical surface,

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they'll crawl up that surface,

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they'll split open their
immature skin, if you will,

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their, uh, exoskeleton.

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And the adult gets pulled out,

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pulls themselves out, I should say.

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They'll hang nearly upside down, uh,

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before they grab, do a sit
up, grab, hold, pull their,

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their, their abdo in free.

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And then they pump their
wings full of fluid

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to stretch them out.

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And then they take another hour

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or two, uh, to actually darken
their exoskeleton, harden it,

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and they have the, they're these beautiful

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red-eyed black bodied
orange, uh, winged in,

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or, uh, orange tin wing
veins, uh, uh, of insects.

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But they're still not ready
to do their thing yet.

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They will then climb up
to the very tops of trees

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for five days because they have

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to continue their maturation process.

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And then they'll start singing.

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- They start, what, after five days?

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Oh, start making their noise. Yeah,

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- They start making the noise.

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And what then only the males
have the, the, the, the,

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the sound producing
structures, the timbers.

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And, uh, they'll, uh,
they'll start, as I said,

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five days after they emerge.

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And during this time, more
and more cicadas are emerging.

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They don't all emerge in one day.

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It'll take anywhere from, uh,
a week to two weeks for all

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of them to come out of the ground.

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But after five days,

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you'll start hearing some weak choruses.

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After 10 days, it's louder, still, after,

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after, uh, the three, two, the two weeks,

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three weeks going into three
weeks, it reaches its cacophony

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as, as more and more adults
are screaming in the trees.

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And the, uh, the sound is quite large.

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Uh, I should say a large, large
and sound, uh, is at loud.

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Uh, I have measured cicadas
singing at 96 decibels.

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- Really - Put that in
perspective at the university.

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There's the, the Sisters of Charity, uh,

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cemetery across the street
from Mount Angeles University

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is on the flight path into CVG Cincinnati,

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Northern Kentucky International Airport.

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And during the Cicada emergency,

485
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you don't hear the jets flying in.

486
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- No. And they do, they,

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do they do the singing as you call it?

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Do they do that all day
long, uh, or in the evening,

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or this is gonna be 24 hour, uh,

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cacophony for us for a while?

491
00:21:08,025 --> 00:21:09,165
- No, it basically, uh,

492
00:21:09,235 --> 00:21:11,045
they'll start singing
about 10 in the morning,

493
00:21:11,225 --> 00:21:12,605
and then as it gets warmer

494
00:21:12,605 --> 00:21:14,045
and the day gets hotter,
about two o'clock,

495
00:21:14,045 --> 00:21:15,085
they're reaching their loudest.

496
00:21:15,085 --> 00:21:17,965
And they'll continue doing
that until, uh, the, it gets

497
00:21:17,965 --> 00:21:19,725
to be, uh, uh, towards sundown.

498
00:21:19,725 --> 00:21:21,565
And then the, a few
more will stop singing.

499
00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:24,565
And they may go maybe a
few minutes after sundown,

500
00:21:24,565 --> 00:21:25,885
but no, they'll be quiet at night

501
00:21:25,885 --> 00:21:27,645
because when they're,
when they're singing,

502
00:21:27,645 --> 00:21:29,205
they're ad males are advertising,

503
00:21:29,545 --> 00:21:31,565
I'm a cicada, I could be eaten .

504
00:21:31,565 --> 00:21:34,685
And so they, they stay quiet
at night as a means of, uh,

505
00:21:34,685 --> 00:21:35,725
keeping predators,

506
00:21:35,725 --> 00:21:37,285
nocturnal predators from
finding them easily.

507
00:21:37,945 --> 00:21:39,685
- Now, I was, we're in, I'm in Florida,

508
00:21:39,785 --> 00:21:42,845
and the other morning I
took my dog for a walk at a,

509
00:21:42,845 --> 00:21:45,125
at a local park, about 10
o'clock in the morning.

510
00:21:45,785 --> 00:21:48,165
And I thought I heard
cicadas, then I heard

511
00:21:48,765 --> 00:21:50,325
a loud noise in the woods,

512
00:21:50,425 --> 00:21:52,565
and it sounded like, like insects.

513
00:21:52,975 --> 00:21:55,525
Would those be cicadas, or is,
or is that a different time?

514
00:21:55,905 --> 00:21:57,445
- That's probably tho
those are probably some

515
00:21:57,445 --> 00:22:00,445
of the tree crickets
or some of the, uh, uh,

516
00:22:01,055 --> 00:22:02,565
Orrin insects that also sing.

517
00:22:03,105 --> 00:22:06,525
Um, the, uh, uh, periodical, SCS used

518
00:22:06,525 --> 00:22:08,205
to be known from the panhandle in Florida.

519
00:22:08,205 --> 00:22:09,245
There are historical records,

520
00:22:09,705 --> 00:22:12,165
but they have not been
seen for many decades.

521
00:22:12,745 --> 00:22:14,085
Uh, and a number of my colleagues

522
00:22:14,085 --> 00:22:15,365
and I have gone down
there looking for them.

523
00:22:15,945 --> 00:22:17,605
Uh, right now, the farthest south,

524
00:22:17,605 --> 00:22:20,525
they gets probably the Macon,
Georgia area, uh, okay.

525
00:22:20,835 --> 00:22:22,605
Towards Florida. And there was something

526
00:22:22,605 --> 00:22:25,765
to get down into the, uh,
uh, lo uh, uh, north of, uh,

527
00:22:25,945 --> 00:22:27,365
of New Orleans and Louisiana.

528
00:22:27,905 --> 00:22:28,905
But, uh,

529
00:22:30,345 --> 00:22:33,485
- Now we're gonna see how, guess how many,

530
00:22:33,515 --> 00:22:36,165
when we talk about, I've
heard billions, trillions

531
00:22:36,915 --> 00:22:40,125
give us a sense of sense,
particularly in those areas

532
00:22:40,125 --> 00:22:41,645
where there's gonna be the double hatch.

533
00:22:41,865 --> 00:22:43,525
Uh mm-Hmm. ,
what are we going

534
00:22:43,525 --> 00:22:44,845
to see? How many are we gonna see?

535
00:22:45,475 --> 00:22:48,525
- Well, nationwide, uh,
I've, the, the, the,

536
00:22:48,525 --> 00:22:49,765
I've been in a number of estimates.

537
00:22:50,225 --> 00:22:52,845
Uh, uh, some of the more
readily, I think the more,

538
00:22:52,945 --> 00:22:57,365
you know, general estimate
was around like 256 billion

539
00:22:58,075 --> 00:22:59,565
over the entire distribution.

540
00:23:00,385 --> 00:23:03,285
Um, and the area of, uh, and,

541
00:23:03,305 --> 00:23:05,645
and that, that's based on a
census that was done in the,

542
00:23:05,865 --> 00:23:08,325
in the fifties by Hank
Dus from the Field Museum.

543
00:23:08,345 --> 00:23:10,845
And he went out and put down quadrants

544
00:23:10,845 --> 00:23:12,325
and counted all the holes.

545
00:23:13,525 --> 00:23:15,305
The emergence holes were
the, the cicadas came out

546
00:23:16,625 --> 00:23:18,045
and they live under the, these

547
00:23:18,045 --> 00:23:19,085
are holes that are under trees.

548
00:23:19,325 --> 00:23:20,525
'cause they come up from the, where the,

549
00:23:20,525 --> 00:23:21,565
where the tree roots are.

550
00:23:23,125 --> 00:23:26,545
And based on the estimates he
was getting for one acreage

551
00:23:26,685 --> 00:23:30,345
of, of ground under trees would be about

552
00:23:30,345 --> 00:23:32,145
1.8 million. Wow.

553
00:23:33,125 --> 00:23:36,065
- In an acre.
- I did the same process, uh, here in,

554
00:23:36,065 --> 00:23:37,345
in the suburbs of Cincinnati.

555
00:23:37,685 --> 00:23:39,225
And we don't have that many in Cincinnati

556
00:23:39,425 --> 00:23:40,745
'cause of all the clear
cutting and what have you.

557
00:23:40,745 --> 00:23:42,225
But, uh, but we were getting

558
00:23:42,225 --> 00:23:43,425
about three quarters of a million.

559
00:23:43,765 --> 00:23:45,670
But either way, that's
still still a lot of bugs

560
00:23:46,085 --> 00:23:48,725
- , what it is,
a lot of what, what, uh,

561
00:23:49,255 --> 00:23:51,445
areas will have the most, is there a state

562
00:23:51,445 --> 00:23:54,085
that's gonna be cicada
central, so to speak?

563
00:23:54,595 --> 00:23:56,085
- Well, the, what's what's interesting

564
00:23:56,085 --> 00:23:57,885
as I mentioned earlier, is that
this year we have these two

565
00:23:57,885 --> 00:24:00,245
different broods coming
out, a 13 year cicada, uh,

566
00:24:00,585 --> 00:24:02,405
and a 17 year cicada brood.

567
00:24:02,905 --> 00:24:06,045
And, uh, uh, there is a
small area of overlap,

568
00:24:06,145 --> 00:24:09,205
but those areas are right
at the most southern extreme

569
00:24:09,425 --> 00:24:12,845
of brood 13 and the most
northern extreme of brood 19.

570
00:24:12,865 --> 00:24:15,685
So we're not expecting massive
numbers at that little spot.

571
00:24:16,435 --> 00:24:19,725
Okay. But, uh, uh, the
census, uh, information

572
00:24:19,725 --> 00:24:22,645
that was done, uh, by, uh,
d back in the, uh, fifties,

573
00:24:23,135 --> 00:24:25,685
those areas are gonna be
getting cicadas this year.

574
00:24:25,745 --> 00:24:28,885
And so the, the some of
the, I'm expecting some

575
00:24:28,885 --> 00:24:32,645
of the biggest and loudest
numbers to be in the, uh, uh, out

576
00:24:32,645 --> 00:24:34,125
outside the suburb out suburbs

577
00:24:34,125 --> 00:24:36,325
and north, just outside of Chicago, uh,

578
00:24:36,325 --> 00:24:37,565
where they'll have incredible numbers.

579
00:24:38,065 --> 00:24:39,645
Uh, parts of southern Illinois

580
00:24:39,825 --> 00:24:42,285
and rural Missouri should
have really good numbers

581
00:24:42,425 --> 00:24:43,445
as well, and be loud.

582
00:24:44,185 --> 00:24:47,005
- Now, do these pose any hazard to people?

583
00:24:47,005 --> 00:24:49,565
They don't bite it. You
say they just suck, uh,

584
00:24:50,115 --> 00:24:52,565
tree the tree leaves
or whatever it is, but

585
00:24:53,235 --> 00:24:54,235
- Tree roots, yeah.

586
00:24:54,235 --> 00:24:56,485
- Yeah. Do, do they cause any, they they

587
00:24:56,485 --> 00:24:57,485
- Don't bite.

588
00:24:58,245 --> 00:25:01,455
Well, they don't, cause they
don't bite, they don't sting.

589
00:25:01,955 --> 00:25:04,575
Uh, they some, if you, if people have said

590
00:25:04,575 --> 00:25:06,415
that there were reports
like in the 19th century

591
00:25:06,415 --> 00:25:07,495
of them stinging people,

592
00:25:07,795 --> 00:25:09,575
but when those were
investigated, they all turned out

593
00:25:09,575 --> 00:25:12,895
to be related to cicada killer
wasps, which come out later,

594
00:25:12,955 --> 00:25:14,135
not during the periodical sc

595
00:25:14,135 --> 00:25:16,255
and people getting stung
by wasps in many cases.

596
00:25:17,075 --> 00:25:20,255
But, uh, uh, the only damage they can do,

597
00:25:20,315 --> 00:25:22,735
and it's not a real damage
per se, they're not like the,

598
00:25:22,735 --> 00:25:25,095
they're not like grasshoppers
that chew things up

599
00:25:25,095 --> 00:25:26,215
or what have you, uh,

600
00:25:26,355 --> 00:25:29,695
is when the female lays
her eggs in the trees, uh,

601
00:25:30,165 --> 00:25:33,415
that sometimes causes the
branch, the tip of the branch

602
00:25:33,515 --> 00:25:36,375
to break and leaves
with her and turn brown

603
00:25:36,435 --> 00:25:37,735
and sort of dangle there.

604
00:25:37,915 --> 00:25:39,295
And that we call that flagging.

605
00:25:39,755 --> 00:25:42,295
And, uh, that it looks
like they've been hit

606
00:25:42,295 --> 00:25:44,975
by a big hailstorm, uh,
all the brown leaves.

607
00:25:45,115 --> 00:25:47,775
But it turns out that overall
is, is actually beneficial

608
00:25:47,775 --> 00:25:49,255
because even though it doesn't look nice

609
00:25:49,785 --> 00:25:51,775
right now in the tree, it results in a,

610
00:25:51,805 --> 00:25:53,295
like a natural pruning.

611
00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:55,855
It results in a larger leaf set

612
00:25:55,855 --> 00:25:57,375
and flower set this next year.

613
00:25:59,375 --> 00:26:01,835
- Now there, how big are they?

614
00:26:02,425 --> 00:26:04,195
I've seen what, an inch and a half or so?

615
00:26:05,145 --> 00:26:07,765
- An inch and a half, uh, to
two inches depending on the,

616
00:26:07,765 --> 00:26:09,165
there's three species
that'll be coming out

617
00:26:09,165 --> 00:26:10,685
with the 17 year cicadas.

618
00:26:10,685 --> 00:26:13,405
And four species are the 13 year scs.

619
00:26:13,665 --> 00:26:17,085
Uh, the, the large species
is about, uh, two, uh, uh,

620
00:26:17,085 --> 00:26:18,125
about up to two inches.

621
00:26:18,345 --> 00:26:20,365
And the smaller two
species are about an inch

622
00:26:20,365 --> 00:26:22,005
and a half with, from head
to the tip of the wing.

623
00:26:22,705 --> 00:26:24,725
- And so, uh, now one of the things I I,

624
00:26:24,845 --> 00:26:28,165
I read a story someplace
about, uh, one effect

625
00:26:28,165 --> 00:26:32,285
of all this is we're going to
have a lot of gorged wildlife,

626
00:26:32,545 --> 00:26:35,285
the animals that feed on cicadas.

627
00:26:35,345 --> 00:26:36,405
Is that, is that true?

628
00:26:37,815 --> 00:26:40,505
- Well, these, they, they
are gonna be, that's part

629
00:26:40,505 --> 00:26:42,505
of their, uh, whole defensive mechanism.

630
00:26:43,065 --> 00:26:46,725
Uh, the cicadas come
out, uh, in large numbers

631
00:26:46,865 --> 00:26:48,405
to satiate their predators.

632
00:26:48,405 --> 00:26:51,405
Those to give their predators
so many cicadas to eat

633
00:26:51,795 --> 00:26:53,445
that they get tired of eating them.

634
00:26:53,985 --> 00:26:56,165
And then the end result
is when they, when they,

635
00:26:56,185 --> 00:26:58,845
as they tired of eating cicadas,
there's still millions more

636
00:26:58,845 --> 00:27:02,405
to reproduce, uh, the
illustration, I'd like to con that,

637
00:27:02,405 --> 00:27:04,365
that people can't necessarily
get their mind around it,

638
00:27:04,365 --> 00:27:06,405
but I always say, imagine
if you walk outside today

639
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,405
and you found the world swarming

640
00:27:08,405 --> 00:27:09,885
with flying Hershey's kisses

641
00:27:10,895 --> 00:27:11,895
- .

642
00:27:11,895 --> 00:27:12,005
Yeah,

643
00:27:12,455 --> 00:27:14,815
- I know Ivy a few, but that's a few.

644
00:27:14,815 --> 00:27:17,775
Yes. Sometimes, sometimes,
uh, it could be too much

645
00:27:17,775 --> 00:27:19,175
of a good thing and you will get,

646
00:27:19,895 --> 00:27:21,255
i I won't eat them for a while.

647
00:27:21,635 --> 00:27:25,575
Uh, so, uh, uh, the, uh,
uh, the survival strategy,

648
00:27:25,615 --> 00:27:27,095
periodic call cicadas is come up,

649
00:27:27,095 --> 00:27:28,775
these big numbers overwhelm the predators

650
00:27:28,775 --> 00:27:29,815
with all the prey they can eat.

651
00:27:30,115 --> 00:27:31,535
And they're still millions to go.

652
00:27:31,955 --> 00:27:33,815
The annual cicadas, which
you have in Florida,

653
00:27:35,325 --> 00:27:37,825
and we have here in the
Midwest as well, they're gonna,

654
00:27:38,055 --> 00:27:40,185
they will, they'll start emerging in July

655
00:27:40,185 --> 00:27:41,825
after the periodical scales are done.

656
00:27:42,695 --> 00:27:44,505
They are, they come out in small numbers.

657
00:27:44,975 --> 00:27:46,585
They're cryptically colored.

658
00:27:46,585 --> 00:27:50,025
They look like they're covered
in camouflage green, brown,

659
00:27:50,045 --> 00:27:52,585
and khaki and, and
black and what have you.

660
00:27:52,605 --> 00:27:53,905
And they're up in a tree and you

661
00:27:53,905 --> 00:27:55,225
hear 'em calling and you're staring.

662
00:27:55,285 --> 00:27:58,265
The that's, it's, it's backlit.
So you can't see 'em easily.

663
00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:00,905
That's their maid of, of, uh, method

664
00:28:00,905 --> 00:28:01,905
of avoiding being eaten.

665
00:28:02,015 --> 00:28:04,145
They just can't be found easily. Yeah.

666
00:28:04,285 --> 00:28:08,185
Uh, whereas the periodics,
they're, they're clumsy flyers.

667
00:28:08,185 --> 00:28:10,425
I've seen birds pick 'em
off in the air

668
00:28:11,325 --> 00:28:12,505
- Now they they do fly.

669
00:28:13,125 --> 00:28:16,025
- Oh, yes. They can fly up two
about a mile over the course

670
00:28:16,025 --> 00:28:17,825
of, uh, the, the most
they'll fly would be probably

671
00:28:17,825 --> 00:28:18,905
about a month, about a mile.

672
00:28:18,925 --> 00:28:22,505
But many fly only just a few
hundred yards, uh, mostly

673
00:28:22,605 --> 00:28:24,345
to find a tree to sing in,

674
00:28:24,405 --> 00:28:26,745
and then a tree to lay
the female layer eggs in.

675
00:28:27,525 --> 00:28:29,585
- Now, the, uh, our audience, of course,

676
00:28:29,585 --> 00:28:30,865
is gonna be out there camping.

677
00:28:30,865 --> 00:28:33,145
They're in RVs to do,

678
00:28:33,415 --> 00:28:36,385
will we be seeing them
splattering against windshields

679
00:28:36,405 --> 00:28:39,225
or covering our RVs and wooded areas?

680
00:28:40,175 --> 00:28:43,465
- Well, the, you they're
talking about the only things,

681
00:28:43,575 --> 00:28:45,665
they're only gonna be present
in the eastern half of the us.

682
00:28:46,325 --> 00:28:48,265
Uh, you can fly into them

683
00:28:48,265 --> 00:28:50,545
and they can, they can
splatter the car if you'll,

684
00:28:50,545 --> 00:28:52,345
but not, they're not gonna be
like the love bugs you get in

685
00:28:52,745 --> 00:28:54,185
northern Florida or central Florida.

686
00:28:54,415 --> 00:28:58,305
Yeah. Uh, there'll be, there'll
be a few, uh, the, uh, uh,

687
00:28:58,895 --> 00:29:00,945
most likely people will
hear 'em if they're lucky,

688
00:29:00,965 --> 00:29:02,785
if they're lucky enough to be
in the middle of this thing.

689
00:29:02,785 --> 00:29:04,625
It's like, it's like a David Attenborough

690
00:29:04,625 --> 00:29:05,825
special in your backyard.

691
00:29:06,365 --> 00:29:08,505
Uh, you know, and these things
emerge. It's just amazing.

692
00:29:08,965 --> 00:29:10,945
Uh, they come, they,
they, the NIMS crawl out

693
00:29:10,945 --> 00:29:11,985
of these holes in the ground

694
00:29:12,445 --> 00:29:14,065
and they find a vertical surface.

695
00:29:14,165 --> 00:29:16,505
And I've seen 'em do this
on trees, on brick walls,

696
00:29:16,645 --> 00:29:17,825
on fences, on tires.

697
00:29:18,285 --> 00:29:19,705
And they slowly climb up,

698
00:29:19,705 --> 00:29:21,305
and then they'll go through
the process of shedding their

699
00:29:21,305 --> 00:29:23,385
skin, just getting outta
the shell, takes an hour

700
00:29:23,385 --> 00:29:26,065
and a half, and then they're,
so, they're all white,

701
00:29:26,065 --> 00:29:27,625
but their wings, look, they
look like normal skate,

702
00:29:27,625 --> 00:29:29,305
but just all white, and
then takes another hour

703
00:29:29,305 --> 00:29:30,665
and a half for them to turn dark

704
00:29:30,925 --> 00:29:32,265
as they darken their exoskeleton.

705
00:29:32,765 --> 00:29:35,665
And so it's a slow, gradual process.

706
00:29:36,485 --> 00:29:39,065
And, uh, uh, it, it's, uh,
you know, if you're lucky

707
00:29:39,065 --> 00:29:40,905
to be there and your, and
you got your grandkids

708
00:29:40,905 --> 00:29:43,685
or your kids, get out there,
get a flashlight, watch this,

709
00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:45,285
you got the limited peripheral vision.

710
00:29:45,705 --> 00:29:47,925
And it's, it's, it's engrossing.

711
00:29:48,265 --> 00:29:51,365
Uh, I've often said periodical
scada are the gateway drugs

712
00:29:51,425 --> 00:29:53,325
to natural history for kids .

713
00:29:53,705 --> 00:29:57,085
And so if they're, if they're
lucky to, to enjoy this

714
00:29:57,105 --> 00:29:59,685
and see this, they will never forget it.

715
00:30:00,305 --> 00:30:01,965
- Uh, that's awesome.
- I've had conversations with,

716
00:30:01,965 --> 00:30:06,245
with people who, uh,
remembered the 1936 emergence,

717
00:30:06,345 --> 00:30:08,445
and they talk about what
happened to this as a kid.

718
00:30:08,785 --> 00:30:10,645
And then 17 years later, they're married,

719
00:30:10,645 --> 00:30:11,645
they got a daughter of their own,

720
00:30:11,645 --> 00:30:12,805
this woman that was telling me the story.

721
00:30:12,865 --> 00:30:15,765
And then 34 years later,
she had granddaughter.

722
00:30:15,775 --> 00:30:16,925
She's showing the cicadas too.

723
00:30:17,205 --> 00:30:18,485
I don't think she's still with us,

724
00:30:19,175 --> 00:30:23,515
but I'll bet dollars to
donuts that that family,

725
00:30:23,605 --> 00:30:25,595
every time brewed 10 emerges in sense,

726
00:30:25,905 --> 00:30:28,035
they tell a story about
great grandma and grandma

727
00:30:28,495 --> 00:30:29,635
and their great uncle.

728
00:30:30,175 --> 00:30:32,595
- Oh, well, I'm sure many
of us will be doing this,

729
00:30:32,595 --> 00:30:36,155
and we will have a whole
new appreciation of this Dr.

730
00:30:36,475 --> 00:30:39,595
Christie, because of your
enthusiasm and your expertise.

731
00:30:39,825 --> 00:30:42,315
Well, I wanna thank
you so much. Certainly,

732
00:30:42,315 --> 00:30:43,635
- And I hope your, I hope your list,

733
00:30:43,715 --> 00:30:45,395
I hope your listeners
will get Cicada Safari

734
00:30:45,395 --> 00:30:47,075
and help us map 'em, map, map

735
00:30:47,075 --> 00:30:48,075
where they are when they encounter

736
00:30:48,155 --> 00:30:49,075
'em. That'd be very helpful. Yeah.

737
00:30:49,075 --> 00:30:51,395
- Is a place they should go
to report all of this stuff.

738
00:30:51,395 --> 00:30:52,395
And we'll put a link.

739
00:30:53,415 --> 00:30:55,115
- Cicada Safari is a free app.

740
00:30:55,455 --> 00:30:58,075
Uh, we don't tell, give
any data to anything else.

741
00:30:58,075 --> 00:31:00,035
We just ask people to download the app.

742
00:31:00,375 --> 00:31:02,435
Uh, find cicada, periodical, cicadas,

743
00:31:02,505 --> 00:31:04,715
take their turn out
their locations, services

744
00:31:04,815 --> 00:31:06,115
or GPS on their phone,

745
00:31:06,495 --> 00:31:08,395
and they submit, it goes right to the app.

746
00:31:08,535 --> 00:31:10,795
And if it's verified as a
cicada goes live on the app.

747
00:31:10,795 --> 00:31:12,795
So you can, if, if people
wanna see where they are,

748
00:31:13,465 --> 00:31:14,595
just get Cicada Sari.

749
00:31:14,595 --> 00:31:15,635
There's a live map of

750
00:31:15,635 --> 00:31:17,915
where people have been reporting
cicadas on there, and it's,

751
00:31:17,975 --> 00:31:18,835
- And the link is set. It,

752
00:31:18,935 --> 00:31:21,755
- Uh, that's the, uh, cicada
safari.org is the website.

753
00:31:21,985 --> 00:31:24,715
Okay. And the Cicada Safari
app is available at the app,

754
00:31:24,735 --> 00:31:26,995
at the Apple App Store or Google Play.

755
00:31:27,455 --> 00:31:30,995
- We will, we will. I, I will
get it on mine before, uh,

756
00:31:31,215 --> 00:31:33,155
before I, uh, process the interview.

757
00:31:33,295 --> 00:31:36,355
So thank you, Dr. Kisky. You've
been a delight to interview.

758
00:31:36,355 --> 00:31:40,245
Thank, happy cicada hunting.
. Thank you. Well,

759
00:31:40,245 --> 00:31:42,645
- Do you think we're
gonna need, uh, boots to

760
00:31:43,365 --> 00:31:44,525
navigate those cicadas?

761
00:31:45,045 --> 00:31:46,685
- I don't know, but it sounds
like there's gonna be some

762
00:31:46,705 --> 00:31:49,085
mighty good eat out there
For critters that like

763
00:31:49,085 --> 00:31:50,085
to eat cicadas,

764
00:31:50,385 --> 00:31:54,085
- Snakes, skunks, possums, raccoons, uh,

765
00:31:54,395 --> 00:31:57,285
they're all gonna be
gorged, and cicadas.

766
00:31:57,285 --> 00:31:59,445
They say. All right, when we come back,

767
00:31:59,495 --> 00:32:02,365
we've got the RV News of
the week, so stay with us.

768
00:32:03,725 --> 00:32:05,085
Jennifer and I bought some land near

769
00:32:05,085 --> 00:32:06,525
Nashville, Tennessee a while back.

770
00:32:07,025 --> 00:32:10,205
We got tired, crowded,
expensive campgrounds

771
00:32:10,385 --> 00:32:12,445
and worrying about reservations.

772
00:32:13,405 --> 00:32:15,925
Tennessee is a gorgeous
state with friendly people,

773
00:32:16,305 --> 00:32:17,725
and it has been such a pleasure.

774
00:32:18,145 --> 00:32:21,845
The same developer has some
new property near us, close

775
00:32:21,905 --> 00:32:25,605
to the Natchez Trace and Buffalo
River called the Reserve.

776
00:32:25,825 --> 00:32:30,045
At High Forest. Big
properties, five to 41 acres.

777
00:32:30,225 --> 00:32:32,765
You can build a house, a cabin or rv.

778
00:32:32,765 --> 00:32:36,405
Year round prices start at only $89,900.

779
00:32:37,035 --> 00:32:40,605
Your property, your way 100% ownership.

780
00:32:41,265 --> 00:32:44,165
The scenery in this part of
Tennessee is breathtaking,

781
00:32:44,665 --> 00:32:46,285
and the property is gorgeous.

782
00:32:46,785 --> 00:32:50,645
Garden landscape, bring your
pets, build what you want.

783
00:32:50,995 --> 00:32:53,245
There's high speed fiber optic internet,

784
00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:56,525
and it is so private, A great place

785
00:32:56,625 --> 00:33:00,125
to make your home base
ready whenever you want it.

786
00:33:00,675 --> 00:33:04,685
Five to 41 acre properties from $89,900.

787
00:33:05,235 --> 00:33:07,205
There's even great financing.

788
00:33:07,535 --> 00:33:11,565
Check out the site and a
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789
00:33:11,745 --> 00:33:13,765
That's RV lands.net.

790
00:33:15,035 --> 00:33:18,525
Welcome back time now for
the RV News of the week.

791
00:33:18,785 --> 00:33:20,845
- And in Nevada Park
officials are searching

792
00:33:20,845 --> 00:33:22,565
for two men caught on video

793
00:33:23,315 --> 00:33:25,885
topping topping ancient rock formations

794
00:33:25,885 --> 00:33:27,845
that Nevada's Lake Mead

795
00:33:28,545 --> 00:33:31,365
and, uh, lake Mead National
Recreation Area officials

796
00:33:31,705 --> 00:33:33,125
are seeking.

797
00:33:33,305 --> 00:33:36,005
The publix's help in finding the two men

798
00:33:36,005 --> 00:33:37,845
who were caught on camera destroying

799
00:33:38,465 --> 00:33:41,685
breathtakingly beautiful
ancient rock formations. And

800
00:33:41,685 --> 00:33:43,725
- They did this apparently
in front of their kids.

801
00:33:44,505 --> 00:33:46,685
Um, there, there's a viral video.

802
00:33:46,865 --> 00:33:50,485
The men can be seen standing
on the side of a cliff pushing

803
00:33:51,255 --> 00:33:53,725
rocks out of this
federally protected area,

804
00:33:53,725 --> 00:33:55,325
setting them tumbling below.

805
00:33:56,065 --> 00:33:59,005
And as they push and shove
a panic sounding little girl

806
00:33:59,005 --> 00:34:01,285
watches and screams, daddy don't fall.

807
00:34:02,425 --> 00:34:04,925
- And the appalling vandalism
happened the evening

808
00:34:05,065 --> 00:34:08,125
of April 7th along Redstone Dunes Trail.

809
00:34:08,635 --> 00:34:12,365
Lake Meads National Recreation
Area is a massive one

810
00:34:12,365 --> 00:34:15,085
and a half million acre park in Nevada

811
00:34:15,555 --> 00:34:18,205
with about 6 million
visitors each year. Let's

812
00:34:18,205 --> 00:34:19,485
- Hope these guys are caught

813
00:34:19,745 --> 00:34:21,325
and, um, we'll be glad

814
00:34:21,325 --> 00:34:22,805
to tell you about that when that happens.

815
00:34:23,985 --> 00:34:25,725
- And our next story, a full-time,

816
00:34:25,875 --> 00:34:30,325
Arizona Couple are left homeless
after filing for bankruptcy

817
00:34:30,365 --> 00:34:33,925
because the court says the RV
homes are not protected under

818
00:34:33,995 --> 00:34:35,325
homestead exemptions.

819
00:34:36,105 --> 00:34:39,045
- Now, this Arizona
couple were full-timers,

820
00:34:39,665 --> 00:34:40,925
and they ended up homeless

821
00:34:40,955 --> 00:34:43,525
because, um, they filed for bankruptcy

822
00:34:44,065 --> 00:34:47,645
and their RV did not count as a home.

823
00:34:48,025 --> 00:34:51,845
The couple, Steven and Mary
Drummond lived in a 2017 Tiffin.

824
00:34:52,305 --> 00:34:55,805
Uh, they moved into it in
2018 when they bought it,

825
00:34:56,025 --> 00:34:59,285
and, uh, when they filed
for bankruptcy in 2022.

826
00:34:59,905 --> 00:35:02,285
- Now, under Arizona's
homestead exemption,

827
00:35:02,555 --> 00:35:04,485
when a person files for bankruptcy,

828
00:35:04,855 --> 00:35:08,725
there home is exempt from seizure up

829
00:35:08,725 --> 00:35:10,125
to a certain dollar amount

830
00:35:10,185 --> 00:35:12,645
to protect the filers
from becoming homeless.

831
00:35:13,115 --> 00:35:15,325
- When the Drummonds filed for bankruptcy,

832
00:35:15,325 --> 00:35:18,805
they had a 2012 car, and they're tiffin

833
00:35:18,805 --> 00:35:22,805
because they had sold everything
to travel, but both the car

834
00:35:22,805 --> 00:35:25,285
and the RV were seized by creditors.

835
00:35:25,285 --> 00:35:28,125
And that's left them
now without a place to

836
00:35:28,125 --> 00:35:29,125
- Live.

837
00:35:29,125 --> 00:35:30,525
And if they had kept their sticks

838
00:35:30,625 --> 00:35:33,725
and bricks, creditors would
not have been permitted

839
00:35:33,725 --> 00:35:36,725
to take their home under
the state's home, home

840
00:35:37,435 --> 00:35:38,685
Homestead exemption

841
00:35:39,185 --> 00:35:41,685
and the couple's story
certainly gives everybody

842
00:35:42,085 --> 00:35:45,485
consideration about selling
everything and hitting the road.

843
00:35:46,025 --> 00:35:47,445
You know, it gives you
something to think about

844
00:35:47,555 --> 00:35:50,245
- Because as wonderful as
full-time travel can be,

845
00:35:50,245 --> 00:35:51,445
things do happen.

846
00:35:52,305 --> 00:35:54,925
And um, man, that's, that's
pretty sad. Very sad.

847
00:35:55,115 --> 00:35:57,245
Lots of things to think about in, uh,

848
00:35:57,705 --> 00:35:59,925
before you become a full timer.

849
00:36:00,905 --> 00:36:03,725
Uh, alright. Plan now for free entry

850
00:36:04,065 --> 00:36:06,485
to all national parks this Saturday.

851
00:36:07,305 --> 00:36:09,445
- And if you're near a
National park this Saturday,

852
00:36:09,735 --> 00:36:11,845
April 20th, you can enter for free

853
00:36:11,985 --> 00:36:14,125
to kick off National Park Week.

854
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:18,125
- National Park Week is
a nine day celebration

855
00:36:18,345 --> 00:36:19,725
of all things parks

856
00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:22,165
and national parks throughout the country.

857
00:36:22,695 --> 00:36:23,965
It'll be free on Saturday,

858
00:36:24,185 --> 00:36:26,925
and there'll be special
activities through April 28th.

859
00:36:26,945 --> 00:36:28,405
The every day will have a theme.

860
00:36:29,025 --> 00:36:32,085
Uh, you can find all those
different themes, uh, uh,

861
00:36:32,085 --> 00:36:33,085
when you get to the park,

862
00:36:33,085 --> 00:36:34,525
they'll tell you what they're out there.

863
00:36:34,585 --> 00:36:37,965
But from Junior Rangers
to volunteer appreciation

864
00:36:38,105 --> 00:36:42,125
to Arts in the Parks, um, we'll
put a link in the show notes

865
00:36:42,145 --> 00:36:45,245
for this episode, uh, RV
lifestyle.com/podcast.

866
00:36:45,585 --> 00:36:47,285
And you can see all the things happening.

867
00:36:47,945 --> 00:36:51,805
- Now, there are six free
National Park admission days this

868
00:36:51,805 --> 00:36:54,725
year with the next one being June 19th.

869
00:36:54,905 --> 00:36:56,365
So circle that on your calendar.

870
00:36:56,905 --> 00:37:00,245
And if you're looking for a
national park that made our list

871
00:37:00,305 --> 00:37:03,045
as a favorite for our
viewers, we'll let you know.

872
00:37:03,235 --> 00:37:05,165
- Just look into the description below.

873
00:37:05,165 --> 00:37:06,365
We'll put a link to it

874
00:37:06,545 --> 00:37:11,285
and, uh, you'll find it in,
uh, RV lifestyle.com/podcast.

875
00:37:12,385 --> 00:37:14,885
- Now, Washington State
is considering a plan

876
00:37:14,885 --> 00:37:18,045
to raise all campsite fees for 2025.

877
00:37:18,715 --> 00:37:21,085
Camping at a state park
in Washington is likely

878
00:37:21,185 --> 00:37:23,205
to cost more in 2025.

879
00:37:23,785 --> 00:37:25,325
As the Washington State Parks

880
00:37:25,345 --> 00:37:28,285
and Recreation Commission is
considering a price increase

881
00:37:28,785 --> 00:37:30,285
to keep up with inflation

882
00:37:30,935 --> 00:37:32,165
- Under that proposal.

883
00:37:32,345 --> 00:37:35,565
The cost of a basic
standard campsite in season

884
00:37:36,465 --> 00:37:39,125
and a basic site is no water, no electric

885
00:37:39,125 --> 00:37:43,765
or sewer would go from $32 to $37 a night.

886
00:37:44,305 --> 00:37:48,485
- And a full utility campsite
at a popular spot in season

887
00:37:48,895 --> 00:37:52,485
would rise from $50 a
night to $56 a night.

888
00:37:53,185 --> 00:37:55,565
And when it's off season, it'll be less.

889
00:37:56,265 --> 00:37:58,765
But, uh, the most, the
prices would increase

890
00:37:59,685 --> 00:38:01,325
whatever season is $6 per night.

891
00:38:01,815 --> 00:38:05,925
- Washington has about 6,400
campsites prices were last

892
00:38:06,035 --> 00:38:09,805
updated in 2020, and they're
part of a growing trend.

893
00:38:09,805 --> 00:38:11,085
We're seeing this all around the country,

894
00:38:11,085 --> 00:38:12,725
different state parks

895
00:38:12,725 --> 00:38:15,165
and the different states
up in their camping rates.

896
00:38:15,875 --> 00:38:19,165
When we return, we have the
RV questions of the week.

897
00:38:19,225 --> 00:38:22,205
So stay with us when we're asked.

898
00:38:22,205 --> 00:38:25,605
What's the most important
modification we made to our rv?

899
00:38:25,835 --> 00:38:28,965
It's an easy answer.
Battle borne batteries.

900
00:38:28,965 --> 00:38:32,925
Battle borne batteries are
quality, safe, reliable lithium

901
00:38:33,485 --> 00:38:34,885
batteries that allow us

902
00:38:35,225 --> 00:38:38,005
to stay out there off the grid longer.

903
00:38:38,515 --> 00:38:40,245
Lithium batteries charge faster.

904
00:38:40,475 --> 00:38:42,725
They charge fuller,
they're longer lasting,

905
00:38:42,725 --> 00:38:43,725
they're maintenance free.

906
00:38:44,065 --> 00:38:46,485
And battle borne batteries are protected

907
00:38:46,505 --> 00:38:48,765
by a 10 year guarantee.

908
00:38:49,385 --> 00:38:53,525
Now in our case, they just
dropped into the existing a GM

909
00:38:53,845 --> 00:38:56,125
batteries that we have,
and they'll probably be the

910
00:38:56,125 --> 00:38:57,245
same on your rig too.

911
00:38:57,625 --> 00:39:01,205
Battle borne battery experts
can get those in your rig,

912
00:39:01,235 --> 00:39:02,885
just like they did with ours.

913
00:39:02,885 --> 00:39:04,965
They can also match you
up with the right cabling,

914
00:39:04,985 --> 00:39:07,845
the inverter, the charger, the
solar controller, everything.

915
00:39:08,685 --> 00:39:11,765
Jennifer and I swear by
our battle borne batteries,

916
00:39:11,835 --> 00:39:14,845
they allow us to boondock off the grid.

917
00:39:15,095 --> 00:39:16,285
Check 'em out. Go

918
00:39:16,285 --> 00:39:19,525
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919
00:39:19,525 --> 00:39:21,725
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920
00:39:23,825 --> 00:39:25,235
Welcome back, everybody.

921
00:39:25,305 --> 00:39:28,435
Time now for the RV questions of the week.

922
00:39:28,535 --> 00:39:30,075
And before we take, uh,

923
00:39:30,095 --> 00:39:31,875
the two questions we're
gonna answer this week,

924
00:39:32,035 --> 00:39:34,515
I wanna remind you that we
love to get your comments

925
00:39:34,815 --> 00:39:36,955
and your questions, and you can reach us

926
00:39:36,955 --> 00:39:38,115
through our private email.

927
00:39:38,535 --> 00:39:42,435
And that is Mike and jen@rvlifestyle.com.

928
00:39:43,035 --> 00:39:45,795
- Question number one,
generally when I book a site,

929
00:39:45,955 --> 00:39:48,515
I book the night before and the night

930
00:39:48,515 --> 00:39:50,475
after my length of stay.

931
00:39:50,985 --> 00:39:54,075
What I'm saying is, if I'm
going to stay nine nights,

932
00:39:54,075 --> 00:39:57,635
beginning on a Friday,
I'll book Thursday night so

933
00:39:57,635 --> 00:39:58,875
that the site is mine.

934
00:39:59,545 --> 00:40:01,355
That way I can get into,

935
00:40:01,425 --> 00:40:03,755
into the campground early on Friday.

936
00:40:04,225 --> 00:40:07,595
Then on the tail end of the
stay, I book an extra night

937
00:40:07,615 --> 00:40:10,235
so I don't have to get
caught up in the rush

938
00:40:10,815 --> 00:40:12,355
of people checking out.

939
00:40:13,275 --> 00:40:16,475
I do a later checkout.
I pay for those nights.

940
00:40:16,775 --> 00:40:18,155
The site is just empty.

941
00:40:18,835 --> 00:40:20,355
I do let the campground know

942
00:40:20,465 --> 00:40:22,155
that I won't be there the final night,

943
00:40:22,575 --> 00:40:24,915
but they've told me that they can't book

944
00:40:24,915 --> 00:40:26,035
it because it's mine.

945
00:40:26,995 --> 00:40:29,995
Ultimately. Is that wrong if
I'm not there on those two

946
00:40:29,995 --> 00:40:31,675
nights, even though I paid for them?

947
00:40:32,505 --> 00:40:34,155
Also, it should be noted that most

948
00:40:34,155 --> 00:40:37,275
of my camping is on private campgrounds,

949
00:40:37,415 --> 00:40:38,715
and this is from Brad.

950
00:40:39,385 --> 00:40:41,395
- Well, I I don't think that there's a

951
00:40:42,085 --> 00:40:45,235
gonna be a clear consensus
on this, Brad, that, uh,

952
00:40:45,475 --> 00:40:46,675
I understand your reasoning.

953
00:40:46,795 --> 00:40:48,635
I think a lot of people
will agree with you,

954
00:40:49,375 --> 00:40:50,795
but I think a lot of 'em will not.

955
00:40:50,975 --> 00:40:55,115
And I'm one of those who do
think that this is wrong, um,

956
00:40:55,225 --> 00:40:57,555
that that borders on being selfish

957
00:40:58,265 --> 00:41:01,155
because you're tying up
spots that others could use

958
00:41:01,455 --> 00:41:04,755
and enjoy, even though
you know you're not gonna

959
00:41:04,755 --> 00:41:05,795
be on that campsite.

960
00:41:06,395 --> 00:41:08,195
I mean, you said to yourself
that you tell the park,

961
00:41:08,195 --> 00:41:09,235
yeah, I'm not gonna be there.

962
00:41:09,415 --> 00:41:11,875
Uh, the, the, the last night that you book

963
00:41:11,895 --> 00:41:15,155
and pay for, well, and
they explained to you that

964
00:41:15,155 --> 00:41:17,835
because you have technically
leased that site,

965
00:41:17,835 --> 00:41:20,195
they can't rent it out to
somebody who could use it.

966
00:41:21,135 --> 00:41:24,315
So it, it's hard to get a campsite, Brad.

967
00:41:24,375 --> 00:41:26,355
And some people only have limited times

968
00:41:26,385 --> 00:41:27,395
when they can get away.

969
00:41:27,765 --> 00:41:29,595
Oftentimes you'll find them making,

970
00:41:29,895 --> 00:41:31,035
uh, different arrangements.

971
00:41:31,035 --> 00:41:34,565
Maybe they, they can get one
for, uh, Friday and Saturday,

972
00:41:34,785 --> 00:41:37,165
but, uh, to get one on Thursday,

973
00:41:37,165 --> 00:41:39,165
they gotta go book a different night.

974
00:41:39,785 --> 00:41:42,405
And if you've got that tied
up on Friday, on Thursday,

975
00:41:42,405 --> 00:41:44,445
they can't get in and there goes their

976
00:41:44,445 --> 00:41:45,645
whole plan for that weekend.

977
00:41:46,465 --> 00:41:48,205
So I just don't think it's a very

978
00:41:48,525 --> 00:41:49,725
considerate practice for others.

979
00:41:49,755 --> 00:41:51,445
It's very convenient for you,

980
00:41:52,185 --> 00:41:54,405
but I don't think it's
very con considerate.

981
00:41:54,785 --> 00:41:57,845
- Now, something that
I see going on here is

982
00:41:57,845 --> 00:42:01,005
that this isn't a national
park or a state park

983
00:42:01,065 --> 00:42:03,965
or a county park, I
would say absolutely no,

984
00:42:04,175 --> 00:42:05,205
- Don't do it on. No, sure,

985
00:42:05,205 --> 00:42:06,205
- Don't do.

986
00:42:06,205 --> 00:42:07,405
Sure don't. But you're saying
it's a private campground.

987
00:42:08,505 --> 00:42:11,085
So it seems to me like
at a private campground,

988
00:42:11,105 --> 00:42:12,925
if somebody came in late at night,

989
00:42:12,925 --> 00:42:14,565
they could rent out that spot.

990
00:42:15,385 --> 00:42:18,565
But I don't know, it,
it's, uh, it's thin ice.

991
00:42:18,915 --> 00:42:22,565
- Well, anyway, I don't think
it's, it's a good practice

992
00:42:22,565 --> 00:42:24,245
and it's not very considerate of others.

993
00:42:24,385 --> 00:42:27,525
But, um, you ask, don't be
mad at me. That's my answer.

994
00:42:27,985 --> 00:42:31,125
We are all entitled to different
opinions here, right? Okay.

995
00:42:31,885 --> 00:42:34,565
I hope , I hate to make
anybody mad and, you know,

996
00:42:34,665 --> 00:42:36,645
but, um, I do understand your reasoning,

997
00:42:36,645 --> 00:42:38,325
but I just don't think
that's a good practice.

998
00:42:38,745 --> 00:42:42,325
- Now the second question is
when I've thought about bar

999
00:42:42,345 --> 00:42:45,685
of soap or shower gel, and
this question is, my husband

1000
00:42:45,865 --> 00:42:47,765
and I sold our house in October

1001
00:42:47,865 --> 00:42:52,605
and moved into our fifth wheel
as a stop gag while we plan

1002
00:42:52,625 --> 00:42:54,765
and build a new home a few hours away.

1003
00:42:55,255 --> 00:42:57,685
We've been in the fifth
wheel for almost six months.

1004
00:42:58,105 --> 00:43:00,645
And tonight he asked me
to find a bar of soap

1005
00:43:00,645 --> 00:43:02,885
that he can use in the shower he hates.

1006
00:43:03,545 --> 00:43:06,445
That's a double hate liquid body wash.

1007
00:43:06,965 --> 00:43:10,765
I read somewhere that
bar soap is bad in RVs,

1008
00:43:11,105 --> 00:43:12,685
but can't find any information.

1009
00:43:13,445 --> 00:43:14,925
I prefer liquid body wash,

1010
00:43:15,465 --> 00:43:19,685
but wanted to see if there's
a bar soap he can use here.

1011
00:43:20,065 --> 00:43:23,285
Any advice is so appreciated.
And this is from Linda.

1012
00:43:23,875 --> 00:43:25,645
- Well, I'm with your husband Linda.

1013
00:43:25,805 --> 00:43:29,565
I hate liquid soap too,
and I always use bar soap.

1014
00:43:30,385 --> 00:43:32,605
And, um, I don't know
if there's a real right

1015
00:43:32,665 --> 00:43:35,605
or wrong answer, but it seems to stack up

1016
00:43:35,605 --> 00:43:37,725
that a bar soap is
probably a little better.

1017
00:43:37,865 --> 00:43:40,565
Uh, a quick internet
search says that as far

1018
00:43:40,565 --> 00:43:42,605
as cleaning action goes, uh,

1019
00:43:43,185 --> 00:43:45,445
it really doesn't make any
difference between a bar

1020
00:43:45,545 --> 00:43:48,605
and liquid, but from an
environmental point of view,

1021
00:43:48,605 --> 00:43:50,485
and we're coming on to
Earth Day next week,

1022
00:43:50,905 --> 00:43:54,845
but from an environmental point
of view, bar soap winds, uh,

1023
00:43:54,865 --> 00:43:57,285
the liquid version
requires a plastic bottle.

1024
00:43:57,425 --> 00:44:00,165
And that takes more energy
to produce than the wrapping

1025
00:44:00,165 --> 00:44:01,485
of a bar of soap.

1026
00:44:02,235 --> 00:44:05,525
Plus a bar of soap on
average lasts six times

1027
00:44:06,065 --> 00:44:08,445
longer than its liquid counterpart.

1028
00:44:09,305 --> 00:44:11,765
So that's my opinion.
And again, I don't know,

1029
00:44:11,835 --> 00:44:13,405
what does Jennifer say? Well,

1030
00:44:13,485 --> 00:44:14,805
- I don't know if this is true or not,

1031
00:44:14,825 --> 00:44:18,085
but I heard this, that
liquid soap is good to use

1032
00:44:18,285 --> 00:44:21,365
'cause it doesn't clinging
to the walls of the shower,

1033
00:44:21,475 --> 00:44:24,205
whereas a bar of soap makes more scum.

1034
00:44:24,435 --> 00:44:25,445
- Yeah, a soap scum.

1035
00:44:25,955 --> 00:44:28,285
- Yeah. That, uh, it's
more work to get off.

1036
00:44:28,425 --> 00:44:30,285
It clings to everything. Coats it.

1037
00:44:30,285 --> 00:44:32,140
You know what that's like, like
when everything gets covered

1038
00:44:32,140 --> 00:44:34,485
with that scum, and I heard that,

1039
00:44:34,905 --> 00:44:36,325
but I don't know if it's the truth.

1040
00:44:36,745 --> 00:44:38,805
- Um, uh, it, it probably is.

1041
00:44:38,985 --> 00:44:41,325
So bottom line is, it's a toss up.

1042
00:44:41,785 --> 00:44:43,445
You let your husband use the bar soap

1043
00:44:43,445 --> 00:44:44,725
and you can use the liquid soap.

1044
00:44:44,725 --> 00:44:46,365
And we got two happy campers. Hey.

1045
00:44:46,365 --> 00:44:47,365
- And he can clean the shower

1046
00:44:48,365 --> 00:44:49,365
- .

1047
00:44:49,365 --> 00:44:51,725
Yes. He can clean the shower.
There you go. All right.

1048
00:44:51,735 --> 00:44:54,165
Again, don't forget, we wanna
get your questions, Mike

1049
00:44:54,185 --> 00:44:56,605
and jen@rvlifestyle.com.

1050
00:44:56,945 --> 00:45:00,005
Hey, we're usually a lot
more talkative and more fun,

1051
00:45:00,185 --> 00:45:02,245
but, um, believe it or not, just tired

1052
00:45:02,245 --> 00:45:04,325
or so, so we're gonna,
we're gonna go. I, I feel

1053
00:45:04,325 --> 00:45:05,645
- Like I'm fun, .

1054
00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:10,325
- All right. Hey, we
will be back next week

1055
00:45:10,585 --> 00:45:13,085
and, uh, we can't wait to,
uh, to have you with us.

1056
00:45:13,545 --> 00:45:16,245
So stay with us, uh, on
the blog, on the podcast,

1057
00:45:16,505 --> 00:45:18,445
on our RV Lifestyle community.

1058
00:45:18,785 --> 00:45:20,925
And don't forget, uh, our YouTube channel,

1059
00:45:21,225 --> 00:45:22,965
RV Lifestyle, the YouTube channel.

1060
00:45:22,965 --> 00:45:24,245
Would love to see you there as well.

1061
00:45:24,505 --> 00:45:26,845
Thanks for watching and
listening to the podcast.

1062
00:45:27,455 --> 00:45:28,285
- Happy trails.