Exposing High Pressure RV Sales Tactics

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This week on the RV podcast

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How to deal with high pressure RV dealers.

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We're gonna talk to a reputable dealer who's

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going to expose some of the unethical tactics.

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RV campgrounds in 6 states have been devastated

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by last week's hurricane.

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When prices are going up like they are

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right now, a lot of people are asking,

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how can anyone afford the RV lifestyle anymore?

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We have some advice from our social media

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buzz segment.

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All this plus the RV news of the

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week and your questions coming up in episode

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517

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of the RV podcast.

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Hello, everybody. I am Mike Wendland and this

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is my lifelong traveling companion and my lovely

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bride, Jennifer.

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Hello, mister Michael. It is nice to be

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with you. It is nice to be with

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you, except it's a bit warm. Yes. Yes.

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We'll talk about that in a moment, but

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first, just to,

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just to reflect on,

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just the devastation that has, happened across,

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6 states in the wake of hurricane Helene.

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In terms of RV campgrounds,

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a number of them have been destroyed.

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Many, many others have been severely damaged. Some

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are closed. There has been at least one

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death reported.

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It's just been

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a terrible tale of devastation,

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and this is, of course, in Florida, in

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Georgia, in the Carolinas,

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in Virginia.

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Many of them, many of the parks are

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closed, and,

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electricity is out, trees are down, they're cleaning

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up the mess. No idea when electricity will

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be restored

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or, when they can reopen, but what a

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mess. What a terrible mess.

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Well, we are,

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on location coming to you from Loblolly

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Ridge. And Loblolly Ridge,

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named after all those Loblolly Pines,

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is our RV

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property,

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5 acres that we have in middle Tennessee

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near the town of Linden. And, we're doing

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a lot of maintenance work. We're out here

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blowing and raking and, trimming and trying to

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get this property looking like it's not abandoned

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land. Well, it has been abandoned

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for the last 6 months. We were last

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here in April.

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Right. And all I gotta say is if

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we stay away

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12 months.

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The land's gonna reclaim it. It's gonna reclaim

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it because the I can't believe all the

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little baby Loblawis that are out there. Yeah.

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These Loblawis are beautiful pine trees, but they

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have a lot of needles and we've been

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cleaning those up. I can't believe it. Our

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kids, when they lived in Georgia, were buying

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bales of these pine needles You know, they're

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landscaping. We probably should put them in plastic.

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They they make a great mulch.

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Thanks to, our neighbor, Troy.

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He's a youtuber himself, Comet Troy, and,

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he has Harmony Ridge RV Park right next

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door to us. A small little RV place

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here that he, that he rents out spots

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to, you know, for campers.

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And, Troy, came over and brush hogged.

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That's what they call it. They cleared off

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some of the weeds that had grown up

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along the edges of the driveway,

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and then we've got, we had to go

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buy some we had a weed whack trimmer,

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and, a blower, and we're we're doing a

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lot of that work.

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It's a good thing he came in. But

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there have been casualties. And I might have

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just turned around and left.

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No. It's been nice. You know? It's so

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nice and peaceful and quiet here. That's what

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we love about it.

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But there has been, some casualties,

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and I say has,

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one of them was me.

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Shortly after we,

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brought our Montana in, put it on the

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pad, I was about ready to unhook it,

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and all of a sudden, I was attacked.

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Swarmed by

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what I thought at the time were fire

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ants. I'm not sure that fire ants are

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just red ants. I tend to think they're

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red ants because I survived,

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but man, they there's a couple they built

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nests in the rocks on the edge of

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that,

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that little pad, and

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I got whacked.

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And you have no compassion for their homes

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that you destroyed by? You're walking all over

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them. Not even a little bit.

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I I I went immediately. Well, I got

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bit so many times. I had ants in

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my pants. They literally were all over when

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I I started feeling these bites, and I,

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what? And I looked down, and they were

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all over my shoes. They were climbing up

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on my pants.

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And then it was as if they have

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some source of telepathy.

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They, honestly, all bit me at once.

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I don't know how that happened, but it

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was like, holy cow.

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I did

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a couple of fancy moves going on out

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there. There. I was dancing

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now. Hands and you were carrying on, like,

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I couldn't believe. And I'm so glad that

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you were okay. Wow. Because I was afraid

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we might have to take you to the

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emergency room or something because I you had

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a too many bites to even come. Oh

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my gosh. And they immediately were swollen up

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and blistering, and,

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you can't see them. Oh, my goodness. They're

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there. If that'd been me, I'd probably still

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I'd probably be in a hospital someplace.

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They I'm up and down my legs. They

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were it was not good. Hey. My ankles,

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my they bit through my shoes or got

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inside and bit a couple of my toes.

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So how many of you folks wanna camp

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out? Or a lot.

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We did our best to get rid of

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the ants. We did. We did. And that's

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the first time we've had them. That's the

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first time that it was, it was Hopefully,

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in the last. It was a you did

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send me to the local pharmacy, and we

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got some Benadryl, and that took care of

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any issue I had. Yeah. We took one.

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The ants, they're gone,

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or at least they've moved on.

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So that's where we are. Hey, before we

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get to our conversation of the week, which

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is which is a must listen, so stand

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by. We wanna talk you I tell you

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we have heard about another

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property development by the same people who who

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did this this. This is this,

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property we have, our Loblawley Ridge, is part

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of The Woodlands, which is a development that

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Tennessee Land and Lakes did. Do you realize

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it'll be 3 years that we've been here?

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Can't believe it. 3 years in November. Yeah.

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And they're really robust, finally community of other

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RVers, and,

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people who bought here. So many of them

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building now,

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are around us. But anyway, that same company

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has a new development that they are going

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to be putting up for sale on October

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19th 24,

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and we're going, this week to get our

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first look at it. It's called the retreat

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at Paris Landing,

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and it's up,

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a little northwest of here, up near the

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near the Kentucky border. It's at a place

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on the Tennessee River that is

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so wide they call it Kentucky Lakes, and,

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Kentucky Lake,

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the land of lakes, land between the lakes

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area, that's where it's known in, very popular

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resort area.

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The state park there is a beautiful

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resort and a lodge.

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These are really nice large acreage,

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lots.

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5 acres starts at 99900,

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and,

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they come with, special deeded lake access.

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We love that that lake. It's just it's

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gorgeous. It's part of the great loop,

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and, they're gonna be sold 1st come, 1st

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served starting October 19th.

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You can get information at rvlands.net.

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That's rvlands.net.

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it's geared for people who want peace and

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quiet,

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and privacy.

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That's kind of what we have here. Mhmm.

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We we call this our little retreat, and

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it really has been,

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just in a wonderful area.

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We're going up to take a look at

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it, so we'll have some video on it

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later on. It's also close. There's there's, resorts

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and shopping and the marinas, and,

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you can put your RV on the property.

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What else?

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It's like here, it's your land, your way.

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You can build, you can put a barndominium

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up, a house, a second home, a cottage.

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It's kinda lake living up that way. I

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like the idea of the, shopping being close

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by and the big lake to enjoy. Yep.

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So we're gonna go up. We'll take some

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pictures and some video, and we'll we'll show

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it to you. But,

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we wanted to give you a heads up

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on it. People are always asking us, where

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can we get something like what you have?

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October 19th is when it they have a

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one day sale, and it's first come first

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served,

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and, we'll let you know what we see

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when we see it. So we're looking forward

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to it.

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Time now for our RV,

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conversation of the week. We're gonna talk about

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high pressure dealers sales

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tactics about financing. Particularly about financing. Yeah. You

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know, we regularly hear from members of our

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Facebook group and listeners like you about the

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pressure they feel to finance their new RV

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from dealers. Even when they're paying cash, it's

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no secret that RV dealers and car dealers

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for that matter can make big money when

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you finance with them. But recently, we have

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heard some stories about financial

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pressure techniques that are over the top. And

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we've, put them on a computer, and we're

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gonna, kinda go over those with you right

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now.

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But what typically happens is a person will

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see,

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the price on an RV or a travel

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trailer, and, they'll agree to buy it

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for that price.

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And everything looks great, they're all excited about

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it, and then they, they go in, and

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they sit down with the paperwork,

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and they get

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huge pressure to finance

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with the dealer,

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or the price goes up. Even though there

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was nothing on the ticket saying that the

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price was only for those who finance,

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we wanna read you some some letters. There's

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one from Tom. Okay. Tom says, I had

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a case where it all went south once

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the deal was made and deposit given. I

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put 2,000 down

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on an out the door

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trailer. And when I was ready to pick

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it up, they showed me a balance of

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13,600.

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So get this, the trailer was 11,000,

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and he goes to pick it up, and

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they say, now you owe him 136.

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They raised the price because he was paying

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cash,

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and it was unbelievable.

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Now Sherry also had that happened. She wrote

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this on our RV lifestyle Facebook group. She

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said, they advertise the price. She loved the

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camper, but when the dealer told her she

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didn't finance it with them, she'd have to

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pay $3,000

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more than the advertised price.

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But recently,

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a woman named Lori posted on our Facebook

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group, and her story

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took the cake. It really did. I've been

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looking for a 17 foot travel camper,

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20 feet overall. The particular camper I was

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interested in was a Forest River Ozark. This

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camper was used, 2024.

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The dealer played a numbers game.

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The general manager threw in a stabilizer hitch,

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sway bars, septic hose, out the door tax,

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title tags, and the above included on paper

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for 13,862.

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I said that was good. Then rather than

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stopping there, they literally were trying to push

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me to finance.

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And they came up with a 10.24%

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interest rate.

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I have excellent credit. Let me stop right

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there. The interest rate today on an RV,

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it sounded good credit, is a little over

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6%.

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They wanted 10.24.

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She had excellent credit.

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Reasoning with me that they were giving me

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a great deal and financing was how they

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made their money, and they were giving me

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all the, tow parts for the trailer for

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free. The general manager said all he was

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asking was for me to make one huge

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payment

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on the loan with the cash I already

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had, and spread the payments out over the

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following 6 months, so we can make money.

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And, you scratch my back, and I'll scratch

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yours. Exact words.

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Well, by the end of the day,

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she was sent into the finance guy, and

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he showed her what he said was a

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great warranty package

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of $1895

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for 3 years, and then he had another

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one. Yeah. GAP insurance of

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$1200. I said, no. I'll pay the cash

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and take my chances.

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They then told me the price would go

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up $3,000

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if I paid cash because of all the

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extras they were throwing in. The finance guy

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told me the trailer already was depreciating

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3,000,

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and that was a factor causing the high

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interest rate. Now,

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when she said no to, financing,

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in comes the general manager,

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and he reminds her that she agreed to

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finance it.

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And he said, gave her this final push,

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to get him to sign off. She says

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this doesn't seem right.

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Well, our community that she posted this on

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certainly agreed, and, everybody first of all, called

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out this ridiculous interest rate of 10.24%.

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I mean, if you don't if you haven't

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done your homework, you don't know. You think

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that is a standard, and as I said,

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right now it's about 6%.

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So the trailer she thought she was gonna

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buy for 12,900 and something bucks

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ended up being almost $18,000.

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Well, she's not alone.

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That that post from Lori

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was followed by all these other people who

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had similar things happen. Jessica wrote, they did

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this to me, and then even pulled my

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credit for a loan application without my permission.

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And knowing full well I was paying cash,

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definitely make sure they don't get your Social

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Security number or any purchase agreement.

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Ron wrote that every single company who offers

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you or pressures you to finance through them

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gets a percentage of the financing returned to

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them, sometimes adding 1,000 to their profit.

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That's the finance company's way of motivating the

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dealer to push their financing over,

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other finance companies like a credit union or

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a bank where you almost always get better

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loan, terms.

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The tactics

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seem they they all seem to do the

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same thing. Make a sweet deal upfront, get

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you hooked, get your hopes up, then pull,

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Ron says, pull the rug out from under

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you by guilting and securing you for their

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financing,

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horribly expensive, often worthless extended warranty deals, and

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false freebies.

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So our our group had a number of

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suggestions.

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First one, they said, Shanda bought from private

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sellers,

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saved us about $5,000

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on the exact camper we fell in love

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with at the dealer. Also, Alan said, no

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one is offended

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when you first off your first offer is

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10% below the asking price. Now you wanna

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know what happened with Lori who wrote that

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long letter.

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The person that was, pressured to take a

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10.24%

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finance offer with gap insurance.

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Well, here's what happened to her. She she

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found a private seller, one owner. The seller

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maintained the unit, kept records,

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was clean, gave Laurie her number to call

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if she ever had questions.

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Great experience, and she said private is the

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way to go. So

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what a mess, and apparently

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it is happening more and more. One of

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the reasons why is RV sales have generally

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been down. There some sign that they may

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be coming up a little bit, but, it's

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been a tough time for dealers.

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And we wanna say right off the bat

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that we're not adverse to dealers making a

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profit. I mean, profit is what business is

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all about,

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but,

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high pressure is another

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thing. To find out what you should do,

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whether these are common and ethic and if

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there's if they're ethical or unethical,

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we have an RV dealer that, has agreed

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to talk to us about this,

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and I wanna first commend him for sticking

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his,

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his name and face as you'll hear in

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a couple minutes out there for the whole

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world, but,

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how ethical is this, and what should you

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do when you're buying an RV? And the

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dealer pulls that kind of a stunt with

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you. Not all RVers do that. Not all

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RV dealers do that.

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Here's our interview.

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Alright. Our special guest joins us right now.

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He's an RV dealer of many, many years

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of experience.

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And, as you can see, he's, he's anonymous

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today. We've kind of obscured his face. However,

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one problem,

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the shirt he's wearing says, Sunshine State RVs.

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So Nick Schmidt, we might as well show

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what you look like. And I was trying

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to be if I'm going to give away

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any secrets that you asked me to give

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away, Mike, I don't want people to see

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who I am.

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Well, at least we got everybody's attention. All

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those who are just listening to the podcast,

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you gotta go look at the YouTube version,

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and you'll see Nick's

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that's a good disguise, but it was fun.

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Yes. Serious question.

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Let me be upfront with this. Nick is

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not a sponsor. He's a friend, and he's

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been a friend of ours. And, Jennifer and

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I have known Nick now for over a

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decade, and,

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we recommend him when people privately ask us

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where they should go. We always recommend him.

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Nick is honest. He's a man of integrity,

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and,

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when I need a serious question answered about

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the RV industry, he's never held back. So

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here's the question, Nick. We have shared some

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information that people have been posting on Facebook

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about

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what they perceive to be

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a lot of high pressure by dealers who

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are urging them now to

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finance

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instead of paying cash, saying that,

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it's, it's really,

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that's how they make their money.

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They'll give, you know, the cash deal is

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off the table.

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Yeah. Apparently, this is more common than I

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realized even after all of our times.

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Talk about that for a minute. I know

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you don't do it that way. So, why

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do people do it that way?

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Yeah. No. And, Mike, thank you for the

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introduction. We are friends.

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And and I appreciate everything that you have

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done for me and us over the years.

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You know, it's been a great relationship. We

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are in Gainesville, Florida. All we sell are

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motorized class BRVs all the time.

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So every industry is a little different,

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when it comes to financing, when it comes

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to the dollar amounts that are being financed.

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But, you know, there is definitely profit that

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is made when when the customer walks in

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here, they buy an RV from us and

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they finance with us, and then they buy

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a warranty from us, and then they buy

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a Coke in our Coke machine. You know?

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It's like every step along the way, there's

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there's a little bit of profit that is

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made for the dealer.

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And

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and, you know, what I tell people is

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shop your bank,

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shop our financing, and see which one's better.

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And then you make a choice for you

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personally

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because there is money made. And most of

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the time, Mike, and I'm not exaggerating, 90%

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of the time they go and shop their

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bank and they shop us.

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They they say, you know what? The rate

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at my bank might have been a half

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a point better, but I can go 20

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year financing through your RV financing

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and less money down versus

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more money down and only 10 year financing

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through my bank. So people tend tend to

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use the financing that we offer,

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but there there is profit made for the

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dealership. Is it a ton? Is it more

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than the RV? A lot? No. But there's

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there's just like anything. I have to have

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a cert a separate employee in an office

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who is generating that paperwork and

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who is who is who is kinda, you

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know,

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organizing that deal between the customer and the

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bank. So I gotta be able to pay

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him. And so there there has to be

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some money made there to pay for the

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extra employee

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who's handling it. And then it's just, you

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know, I mean, we need profit to stay

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in business, Mike. Just like, you know, your

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sponsors of your channel that are great. And,

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you know, you you make a little money

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when people buy from them off of your

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code, and we make a little money when

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we recommend business to the bank. We make

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it from the bank.

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And, you know, I I don't feel like

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it's passed on to the customer

539
00:19:59,284 --> 00:19:59,784
because

540
00:20:00,244 --> 00:20:02,085
the banks don't offer better financing than we

541
00:20:02,085 --> 00:20:02,585
do.

542
00:20:04,244 --> 00:20:04,744
But,

543
00:20:06,164 --> 00:20:08,664
the pressure to finance at the dealer

544
00:20:09,284 --> 00:20:10,744
rather than pay cash,

545
00:20:11,509 --> 00:20:13,609
That's what people seem to object to.

546
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:14,730
Yeah. And

547
00:20:15,109 --> 00:20:17,029
and obviously, there's a lot of pressure. I

548
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:19,750
mean, you get pressured into buying gap insurance

549
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:21,429
that you don't need and buying tire and

550
00:20:21,429 --> 00:20:24,174
wheel protection, ceramic tints, and buying 10 year

551
00:20:24,174 --> 00:20:26,815
long extended warranties and buying you get pressured

552
00:20:26,815 --> 00:20:28,494
by everything. They they just want to sell,

553
00:20:28,494 --> 00:20:29,154
sell, sell.

554
00:20:29,455 --> 00:20:32,015
And I think it's dead wrong. Personally, I

555
00:20:32,015 --> 00:20:34,174
think it's dead wrong. You'll never hear an

556
00:20:34,174 --> 00:20:36,434
employee of Sunshine State RV is doing that.

557
00:20:37,214 --> 00:20:37,714
Now

558
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,000
I hear it all the time. People are

559
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,359
like, oh, do you have a better price

560
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,359
if we finance? I'm like, no. I wanna

561
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,480
help you. If you need financing, I'll do

562
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,759
it. If you pay cash, well, we'll do

563
00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:48,160
that. There's no difference. It's it's just wrong.

564
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,000
You know, it's just something that dealers are

565
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,920
using to make extra money on the customers.

566
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,420
And

567
00:20:52,724 --> 00:20:54,164
they're trying to make as much money as

568
00:20:54,164 --> 00:20:56,724
they can, which, like I said, the profit's

569
00:20:56,724 --> 00:20:58,664
not bad. It's just, you know,

570
00:20:59,365 --> 00:21:00,565
it just has to and we gotta be

571
00:21:00,565 --> 00:21:02,804
reasonable about it. And if you're offering a

572
00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:04,325
service, people don't mind paying a profit. If

573
00:21:04,325 --> 00:21:06,500
you're trying to take advantage of somebody, that's

574
00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,579
that's where that's where it kinda gets a

575
00:21:08,579 --> 00:21:11,460
little hairy. So advice for people as they

576
00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:12,679
go to buy an RV,

577
00:21:13,220 --> 00:21:14,579
this is the time of year where everybody's

578
00:21:14,579 --> 00:21:16,500
picking out what they want and getting ready

579
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,419
to they they're they're serious this time of

580
00:21:18,419 --> 00:21:20,715
year. What advice do you have when they

581
00:21:20,715 --> 00:21:21,515
get into there?

582
00:21:22,075 --> 00:21:22,894
Shopping around?

583
00:21:23,434 --> 00:21:24,414
Oh, oh, so

584
00:21:24,795 --> 00:21:26,955
personally, if if I'm gonna go finance a

585
00:21:26,955 --> 00:21:29,275
car, I'm calling my bank. And I'm saying,

586
00:21:29,275 --> 00:21:30,875
hey. If I'm gonna finance this brand new

587
00:21:30,875 --> 00:21:33,809
car, what's my interest rate gonna be? And,

588
00:21:34,049 --> 00:21:35,809
what's down payment, whatever it is? And then

589
00:21:35,809 --> 00:21:37,170
if I wanna go to the car dealership,

590
00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:38,930
I say, hey. What you know, what's the

591
00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:40,529
interest rate you guys can offer me? It's

592
00:21:40,529 --> 00:21:42,369
2% for my bank. Can you do 2%

593
00:21:42,369 --> 00:21:44,130
also? Great. I'll go through you or I'll

594
00:21:44,130 --> 00:21:45,605
go through them. I don't care, but I

595
00:21:45,605 --> 00:21:47,605
know what my rate is. My recommendation and

596
00:21:47,605 --> 00:21:49,525
I tell everybody that sits at my desk

597
00:21:49,525 --> 00:21:51,365
across from me for the last 20 years,

598
00:21:51,365 --> 00:21:53,045
I would tell them the same thing. Go

599
00:21:53,045 --> 00:21:54,965
try your bank. I would always call your

600
00:21:54,965 --> 00:21:56,965
bank first. Find out how long they're going

601
00:21:56,965 --> 00:21:58,484
to finance it. Will they go 20 years?

602
00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:00,085
Will they only go 15? Will they go

603
00:22:00,085 --> 00:22:02,210
10? Find out what interest rate and what

604
00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:02,950
down payment?

605
00:22:03,250 --> 00:22:05,089
Once you find those three things out, then

606
00:22:05,089 --> 00:22:06,929
you walk into the dealership and you say,

607
00:22:06,929 --> 00:22:08,629
Hey, I want this RV

608
00:22:09,009 --> 00:22:09,509
and

609
00:22:10,369 --> 00:22:12,149
I'm open to financing with you.

610
00:22:12,690 --> 00:22:15,009
And then you tell them, I want, let

611
00:22:15,009 --> 00:22:16,674
me know my payment. Let me know my

612
00:22:16,674 --> 00:22:18,195
down payment and how many years I'm gonna

613
00:22:18,195 --> 00:22:20,434
be making that payment for. And if there's

614
00:22:20,434 --> 00:22:22,434
any prepayment penalties would be a big question

615
00:22:22,434 --> 00:22:25,075
as well. So then you go go through

616
00:22:25,075 --> 00:22:26,914
those things, and then you you know what

617
00:22:26,914 --> 00:22:28,434
your banks can offer you. Then you find

618
00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:30,355
out what the RV dealerships can offer, and

619
00:22:30,355 --> 00:22:32,349
then you you you make a decision based

620
00:22:32,349 --> 00:22:34,429
upon what's best for you. A higher interest

621
00:22:34,429 --> 00:22:36,029
rate and lower down payment may be what

622
00:22:36,029 --> 00:22:37,490
you need to get the deal done.

623
00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:40,029
You know, higher more number of years and,

624
00:22:40,029 --> 00:22:40,609
you know,

625
00:22:40,910 --> 00:22:42,769
so everybody's in a different situation.

626
00:22:43,309 --> 00:22:44,289
This this

627
00:22:45,255 --> 00:22:48,134
conversation on our social media that started this

628
00:22:48,134 --> 00:22:49,115
with somebody who,

629
00:22:49,734 --> 00:22:51,654
wanted to pay cash for an RV that

630
00:22:51,654 --> 00:22:53,494
they picked out on the lot, and the

631
00:22:53,494 --> 00:22:55,335
dealer made a really good deal on it.

632
00:22:55,335 --> 00:22:58,455
And when the dealer said you gotta finance

633
00:22:58,455 --> 00:23:00,555
it or the deal's off the table,

634
00:23:00,929 --> 00:23:02,710
This person is saying, what do I do?

635
00:23:02,849 --> 00:23:05,009
Dealer says, I can finance it. He gets

636
00:23:05,009 --> 00:23:06,769
his commission, then I can make one big

637
00:23:06,769 --> 00:23:07,990
payoff at the end.

638
00:23:08,609 --> 00:23:11,429
They just felt sleazy with that. And to

639
00:23:11,649 --> 00:23:13,409
the vast majority of the people on the

640
00:23:13,649 --> 00:23:14,710
they felt it too.

641
00:23:15,515 --> 00:23:17,674
Our recommendation is I wanna see let's go

642
00:23:17,674 --> 00:23:20,255
someplace else. That's not how we do business.

643
00:23:20,955 --> 00:23:22,715
Yeah. I mean, how how are they gonna

644
00:23:22,715 --> 00:23:23,455
treat you

645
00:23:23,835 --> 00:23:25,595
the the whole rest of the time that

646
00:23:25,595 --> 00:23:27,195
you own the van? Or the I say,

647
00:23:27,195 --> 00:23:28,820
VINX. That's all we do. The whole rest

648
00:23:28,820 --> 00:23:30,259
of the time you own the RV, how

649
00:23:30,259 --> 00:23:31,380
are they gonna treat you? You know, they're

650
00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:33,059
gonna treat you to where they wanna squeeze

651
00:23:33,059 --> 00:23:34,900
every nickel and dime out of you like

652
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:36,660
they try to do when you're buying it.

653
00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:38,339
You know, what other fees are they sneaking

654
00:23:38,339 --> 00:23:39,859
in there? You know, it's like if they're

655
00:23:39,859 --> 00:23:42,954
so money hungry and profit driven, are they

656
00:23:42,954 --> 00:23:44,954
sneaking other fees and you don't know? Is

657
00:23:44,954 --> 00:23:46,714
there a prepayment penalty they're not telling you

658
00:23:46,714 --> 00:23:48,075
about? So then you go make that one

659
00:23:48,075 --> 00:23:49,934
payment and you're like, oh, there's a $5,000

660
00:23:50,315 --> 00:23:52,075
prepayment penalty. You know? I

661
00:23:52,954 --> 00:23:55,115
you you never really know because if they're

662
00:23:55,115 --> 00:23:56,970
if they're doing that to to try to

663
00:23:56,970 --> 00:23:59,150
convince you to give them some extra profit,

664
00:23:59,450 --> 00:24:00,429
you there's

665
00:24:00,890 --> 00:24:03,289
I mean, you never know what what else

666
00:24:03,289 --> 00:24:05,769
they're doing, if that makes sense. Great. Great.

667
00:24:05,769 --> 00:24:07,869
I would personally, I would go somewhere else.

668
00:24:07,929 --> 00:24:09,210
I would say, hey. If I get this

669
00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:10,730
deal in one place, I can definitely get

670
00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:13,345
another, and my cash has to be good

671
00:24:13,345 --> 00:24:13,845
somewhere.

672
00:24:14,625 --> 00:24:17,345
Well, Nick, thank you so much for giving

673
00:24:17,345 --> 00:24:19,345
us the sanity of this thing. Thank you

674
00:24:19,345 --> 00:24:21,045
for the way you do business

675
00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:23,105
and not being afraid to,

676
00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:25,929
somewhat call out some of these other people

677
00:24:25,929 --> 00:24:28,670
in this industry that aren't as as, ethical.

678
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:29,369
And and,

679
00:24:30,089 --> 00:24:32,009
it helps us to make wise decisions, and

680
00:24:32,009 --> 00:24:34,250
it, convinces Jennifer and I why we've always

681
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:36,170
been right in saying, if you're gonna buy

682
00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:37,904
a class b, go talk to Nick Schmidt

683
00:24:37,984 --> 00:24:40,884
in Gainesville, Florida at Sunshine State RVs.

684
00:24:41,184 --> 00:24:42,785
Hey, brother. Good to talk to you. Thank

685
00:24:42,785 --> 00:24:44,465
you very much. And there again, if anyone

686
00:24:44,465 --> 00:24:46,144
has any questions, feel free to reach out

687
00:24:46,144 --> 00:24:47,825
to us. You know, Mike can let you

688
00:24:47,825 --> 00:24:48,865
know how to get a hold of us,

689
00:24:48,865 --> 00:24:50,859
but but we're happy to help any way

690
00:24:50,859 --> 00:24:52,140
we can. And we can give you a

691
00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:53,119
free plug. Sunshinestatervs.com.

692
00:24:55,819 --> 00:24:56,640
Thank you, Nick.

693
00:24:57,019 --> 00:24:57,759
That's it.

694
00:24:58,220 --> 00:25:00,299
Well, Nick Schmidt is a good guy. We

695
00:25:00,299 --> 00:25:02,539
thank you, Nick, for taking the box off

696
00:25:02,539 --> 00:25:03,744
your head. That was

697
00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:05,985
fun. And, and sharing your insight.

698
00:25:07,244 --> 00:25:07,985
Bottom line,

699
00:25:08,445 --> 00:25:10,525
don't just walk out of the dealer if

700
00:25:10,525 --> 00:25:13,005
they start doing that. I mean, high pressure

701
00:25:13,005 --> 00:25:15,404
tactics like that, there's no place in today's

702
00:25:15,404 --> 00:25:18,180
marketplace for that. None. Get out of there.

703
00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:21,080
Right? Yeah. No matter what you're buying. Yep.

704
00:25:21,619 --> 00:25:23,960
Alright. We'll be right back after this.

705
00:25:25,059 --> 00:25:27,779
One of the most exciting developments for RVs

706
00:25:27,779 --> 00:25:29,880
is happening out west in Arizona.

707
00:25:30,525 --> 00:25:33,505
Western Land and Ranches is selling 5 acre

708
00:25:33,565 --> 00:25:35,105
high elevation ranches

709
00:25:35,565 --> 00:25:37,664
just off the famous Route 66,

710
00:25:38,125 --> 00:25:40,605
the birthplace of the American road trip. And

711
00:25:40,605 --> 00:25:41,984
these are beautiful

712
00:25:42,285 --> 00:25:45,940
secluded tracks of land surrounded by majestic mountain

713
00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:49,619
ranges with sweeping valley views. The high elevation

714
00:25:49,619 --> 00:25:52,500
is a unique microclimate as well, giving you

715
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:53,400
cooler temperatures,

716
00:25:53,779 --> 00:25:56,500
green grasses, and tree cover, making it unique

717
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,819
for desert property. The community is in the

718
00:25:58,819 --> 00:26:01,025
center of it all, close to the best

719
00:26:01,025 --> 00:26:04,144
of the west, Grand Canyon, Las Vegas, Lake

720
00:26:04,144 --> 00:26:06,325
Havasu, Lake Mead, Lake Mohave,

721
00:26:06,704 --> 00:26:10,865
the Colorado River, Flagstaff, Sedona, and Historic Williams.

722
00:26:10,865 --> 00:26:13,025
If you're tired of crowded RV parks and

723
00:26:13,025 --> 00:26:14,565
paying high fees for sites,

724
00:26:14,980 --> 00:26:17,480
well, ownership might be right for you. This

725
00:26:17,619 --> 00:26:21,159
incredible collection of mountain top properties called Greenwood

726
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:21,880
Ranches

727
00:26:22,339 --> 00:26:24,839
hit the market, and it's selling out fast.

728
00:26:25,059 --> 00:26:27,299
There is no HOA. You can build a

729
00:26:27,299 --> 00:26:30,119
house, a cabin, outbuildings, or just RV.

730
00:26:30,474 --> 00:26:32,894
It's your property, your way, 100%

731
00:26:33,194 --> 00:26:33,694
ownership.

732
00:26:34,154 --> 00:26:36,234
Visit the website to get details and set

733
00:26:36,234 --> 00:26:38,335
up a showing, arizona rvland.net.

734
00:26:39,595 --> 00:26:40,494
That's arizona

735
00:26:40,954 --> 00:26:41,454
rvland.net.

736
00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:45,869
Now it's time for the social media buzz

737
00:26:45,869 --> 00:26:48,509
with Wendy Boyer, and Wendy reports on the

738
00:26:48,509 --> 00:26:50,910
hot issues most talked about this past week

739
00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:51,970
on social media

740
00:26:52,269 --> 00:26:55,069
and our RV lifestyle community group. So, Wendy,

741
00:26:55,069 --> 00:26:57,009
what do we got this week? Hi, everybody.

742
00:26:57,390 --> 00:26:59,625
Over in our RV life style communities,

743
00:27:00,164 --> 00:27:02,005
brands and model space, we had a recent

744
00:27:02,005 --> 00:27:04,005
question from Bunkie and Renee who are thinking

745
00:27:04,005 --> 00:27:06,244
of selling everything and going full time in

746
00:27:06,244 --> 00:27:07,845
an RV, and so they asked the group

747
00:27:07,845 --> 00:27:08,585
for advice.

748
00:27:09,125 --> 00:27:11,125
Lots of good tips here. Thomas and Heather

749
00:27:11,125 --> 00:27:13,444
said they're doing research on this right now,

750
00:27:13,444 --> 00:27:15,299
and they've come to the conclusion there's not

751
00:27:15,299 --> 00:27:17,880
one plan for everyone because individual circumstances

752
00:27:18,579 --> 00:27:20,500
are different. But they said the number one

753
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,940
piece of advice for them would be don't

754
00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:23,539
go in debt. Buy a rig that you

755
00:27:23,539 --> 00:27:25,619
can buy without a loan, and then just

756
00:27:25,619 --> 00:27:27,700
learn how to do maintenance and basic repairs

757
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:28,200
yourself.

758
00:27:28,664 --> 00:27:30,424
Michael's piece of advice was do not sell

759
00:27:30,424 --> 00:27:32,424
your house or sell everything because it might

760
00:27:32,424 --> 00:27:33,945
not be what you think it is, and

761
00:27:33,945 --> 00:27:35,545
it's hard to get that house after you

762
00:27:35,545 --> 00:27:36,285
sell it.

763
00:27:36,664 --> 00:27:38,505
And then one of our full timers, he

764
00:27:38,505 --> 00:27:40,985
said before you buy a rig, think first

765
00:27:40,985 --> 00:27:42,585
what you want out of this because that's

766
00:27:42,585 --> 00:27:44,309
gonna guide you on what type of rig,

767
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:46,070
and then adjust your mind so that you

768
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:47,590
know no matter how much you plan, there's

769
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:50,309
gonna be surprises and adjustments that you didn't

770
00:27:50,309 --> 00:27:52,710
ex anticipate, so be ready to kinda roll

771
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:55,269
with it. So so many good, tidbits in

772
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:56,009
this thread.

773
00:27:56,644 --> 00:27:59,125
And also, a similar question in our general

774
00:27:59,125 --> 00:28:01,684
discussion space was from Albert. He's also thinking

775
00:28:01,684 --> 00:28:03,865
of going full time and buying a rig,

776
00:28:03,924 --> 00:28:05,784
and so he asked the group, is there

777
00:28:05,845 --> 00:28:08,004
anyone who could recommend a good couples rig?

778
00:28:08,004 --> 00:28:10,769
He wanted a travel trailer under 30 feet,

779
00:28:10,849 --> 00:28:12,450
and he got a lot of suggestions. There

780
00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,490
were several people who suggested Airstream, said they're

781
00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:17,910
made well, lightweight, have everything you need.

782
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:21,009
There was also a recommendation from Dallas and

783
00:28:21,009 --> 00:28:22,930
Donna. They've been full time for 5 years,

784
00:28:22,930 --> 00:28:24,150
and they have a 2020

785
00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:24,950
Lance.

786
00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:27,945
It's 25 feet. They said from hitch Schlatter,

787
00:28:27,945 --> 00:28:29,644
that's how long it is, large 45,

788
00:28:30,105 --> 00:28:32,025
gallon tanks, and they were able to camp

789
00:28:32,025 --> 00:28:34,265
with no problem in 8 degrees minus 8

790
00:28:34,265 --> 00:28:36,285
degrees that is that's really good.

791
00:28:36,585 --> 00:28:38,105
And, Gary, it sounds like he's been really

792
00:28:38,105 --> 00:28:40,045
happy with his grand design. Imagine,

793
00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:43,140
Everything you need, he he said. So lots

794
00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:44,420
of threads there if you're looking for a

795
00:28:44,420 --> 00:28:47,059
couple's trailer. And then over in our RV

796
00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:49,380
lifestyle Facebook group, we had a post that

797
00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:52,099
really got people talking. We're we're talking, like,

798
00:28:52,099 --> 00:28:54,420
over 700 comments last I checked, and it

799
00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:55,320
was from Shelby.

800
00:28:55,694 --> 00:28:57,694
Now Shelby said she's lucky enough that she

801
00:28:57,694 --> 00:29:00,095
can retire early. She's thinking about going full

802
00:29:00,095 --> 00:29:02,015
time, but she doesn't know if it's in

803
00:29:02,015 --> 00:29:02,674
her budget.

804
00:29:03,134 --> 00:29:06,115
She asked how does everyone afford this lifestyle?

805
00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:09,054
I usually spend a 100 to $200 a

806
00:29:09,054 --> 00:29:10,194
night at a campground

807
00:29:10,619 --> 00:29:13,019
That's just not doable all the time. Do

808
00:29:13,019 --> 00:29:14,480
you have any tips for me?

809
00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:16,940
And as you can imagine, a 100 to

810
00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:19,259
$200 a night as a camping charge got

811
00:29:19,259 --> 00:29:21,420
a lot of people saying, woah, you know,

812
00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:23,759
where are you camping? That's really expensive.

813
00:29:24,414 --> 00:29:26,255
And it turns out she's camping in the

814
00:29:26,255 --> 00:29:27,615
southeast part of the country.

815
00:29:28,255 --> 00:29:30,575
She said she's been in Gatlinburg, Tennessee about

816
00:29:30,575 --> 00:29:33,214
a 150 a night, Myrtle Beach State Park

817
00:29:33,214 --> 00:29:34,434
about a 100 a night,

818
00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:37,454
Mountains, North Carolina about a 150 a night

819
00:29:37,454 --> 00:29:40,320
and up, cheapest ever was West Virginia at

820
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,140
50 a night.

821
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:43,359
So a lot of people said that's how

822
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,119
much it costs to camp in certain parts

823
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:45,859
of the country.

824
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:48,799
We heard from Kristen. She said Delaware and

825
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,720
Maryland had a lot of campgrounds that were

826
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,674
just purchased by Sun Outdoors, and they once

827
00:29:53,674 --> 00:29:55,914
Sun Outdoors bought them, they raised the rates

828
00:29:55,914 --> 00:29:56,575
like crazy.

829
00:29:56,875 --> 00:29:58,494
Peak season is about $200

830
00:29:59,194 --> 00:30:00,335
a night to camp.

831
00:30:01,274 --> 00:30:03,960
Other places, California, which, you know, California does

832
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,720
tend to cost a little more, 80 to

833
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,039
$200 a night, usually about a 150 a

834
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:09,099
night, someone said.

835
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,559
In Florida, Britney said she considers herself lucky

836
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:15,480
if she's only charged a 100 a night

837
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,174
for a campground. She's about a 150 to

838
00:30:18,174 --> 00:30:20,274
a 170 is kinda normal there.

839
00:30:20,654 --> 00:30:21,154
So,

840
00:30:21,694 --> 00:30:22,894
you know, a lot of these have to

841
00:30:22,894 --> 00:30:25,075
be resorts, but those are some high costs.

842
00:30:25,294 --> 00:30:27,294
So the advice people had was camp in

843
00:30:27,294 --> 00:30:29,690
less expensive spots, you know, find other places

844
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:31,609
in the country that don't cost as much,

845
00:30:31,609 --> 00:30:33,549
or maybe don't choose those resorts.

846
00:30:34,009 --> 00:30:37,369
People recommended work camping, they recommended state parks,

847
00:30:37,369 --> 00:30:39,470
BLM Land, National Forest,

848
00:30:40,170 --> 00:30:42,490
Corps of Engineer campgrounds, those are gorgeous and

849
00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:45,595
super reasonably priced, and perhaps the most important

850
00:30:45,595 --> 00:30:46,494
piece of advice

851
00:30:47,115 --> 00:30:49,134
was to change your thinking.

852
00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:51,355
If you're gonna be retired and doing this

853
00:30:51,355 --> 00:30:53,434
full time, it's no longer a vacation, so

854
00:30:53,434 --> 00:30:55,755
that $100 that might be okay to spend

855
00:30:55,755 --> 00:30:57,755
and splurge on a vacation, if this is

856
00:30:57,755 --> 00:31:00,099
your life every day, that's not gonna be

857
00:31:00,099 --> 00:31:02,019
okay. So you need to change your thinking

858
00:31:02,019 --> 00:31:03,880
to a full time thinking,

859
00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:06,819
and, then everything else will flow into place.

860
00:31:06,819 --> 00:31:08,980
So great great tips there. And that's it

861
00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:10,500
for me. I'm Wendy Boyer, and I'll see

862
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,900
you over in the RV lifestyle community or

863
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:13,880
Facebook group.

864
00:31:14,545 --> 00:31:15,525
You know, unfortunately,

865
00:31:16,464 --> 00:31:18,464
everything's going up, and the price of a

866
00:31:18,464 --> 00:31:20,325
camping space goes up.

867
00:31:20,705 --> 00:31:22,705
And I think it was good advice. Get

868
00:31:22,705 --> 00:31:24,644
out of the mindset that you're on vacation

869
00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:25,924
and realize

870
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:28,710
you're looking for bargains, and you gotta make

871
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:30,710
your money stretch. Yeah. I mean, we just

872
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:32,390
we rented a spot on the way down

873
00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:32,890
here,

874
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:33,830
and,

875
00:31:34,309 --> 00:31:36,490
it was, I think, $60 a night.

876
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:38,744
And I picked and it said, pick your

877
00:31:38,744 --> 00:31:40,265
spot, and I picked my spot, they had

878
00:31:40,265 --> 00:31:41,944
a lot of openings, and then I got

879
00:31:41,944 --> 00:31:43,944
a flag from the saying, okay, we'll guarantee

880
00:31:43,944 --> 00:31:45,724
you the spot if you pay us $20

881
00:31:45,785 --> 00:31:46,285
more.

882
00:31:46,825 --> 00:31:48,105
Well, then why did you have me pick

883
00:31:48,105 --> 00:31:49,704
a site if you won't guarantee it to

884
00:31:49,704 --> 00:31:52,730
me? I did not add $20 more, and

885
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:55,049
and I did get my original site, but

886
00:31:55,049 --> 00:31:56,730
I was constantly told we can change your

887
00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:58,109
site anytime we want.

888
00:31:58,569 --> 00:32:01,609
I think that is terribly unethical, and every

889
00:32:01,609 --> 00:32:03,150
campground is doing it now,

890
00:32:03,734 --> 00:32:05,494
not every, but a whole bunch of them

891
00:32:05,494 --> 00:32:05,994
are.

892
00:32:06,295 --> 00:32:08,775
And, I almost canceled it and went with

893
00:32:08,775 --> 00:32:10,454
some place else, but I did get my

894
00:32:10,454 --> 00:32:13,575
site, but still $60 for an overnight. That's

895
00:32:13,575 --> 00:32:15,894
a lot. Yeah. That extra 20 to guarantee

896
00:32:15,894 --> 00:32:16,500
it. I

897
00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:19,380
I don't think anybody likes that. No. You

898
00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:21,059
know, we can't Campgrounds do because they get

899
00:32:21,059 --> 00:32:23,220
more money. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

900
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:24,680
So anyway,

901
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:27,960
not only RV dealers have some issues,

902
00:32:28,339 --> 00:32:30,325
campgrounds have some issues. And,

903
00:32:30,884 --> 00:32:32,804
so remember, you have the power to say

904
00:32:32,804 --> 00:32:34,964
yes or no or to go elsewhere. I'm

905
00:32:34,964 --> 00:32:37,204
so glad you didn't cancel that campground because

906
00:32:37,204 --> 00:32:39,444
they had pickleball courts, they had a nice

907
00:32:39,444 --> 00:32:40,904
doggy fenced in area,

908
00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:42,679
They had exercise equipment.

909
00:32:43,539 --> 00:32:45,059
Yep. I liked it. It was a nice

910
00:32:45,059 --> 00:32:46,579
camper. It was a I just don't like

911
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:48,579
No. We don't like that. Pay us $20

912
00:32:48,579 --> 00:32:50,179
more, and we'll give you the spot that

913
00:32:50,179 --> 00:32:51,319
we ask you to reserve.

914
00:32:51,859 --> 00:32:52,359
Okay?

915
00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:54,419
Alright. Hey. We'll be right back with 2

916
00:32:54,419 --> 00:32:56,599
questions of the week to answer coming up.

917
00:32:56,855 --> 00:32:59,434
When we're asked what's the most important modification

918
00:32:59,654 --> 00:33:01,974
we made to our RV, it's an easy

919
00:33:01,974 --> 00:33:02,474
answer.

920
00:33:02,934 --> 00:33:06,315
Battle Born Batteries. Battle Born Batteries are quality,

921
00:33:06,455 --> 00:33:07,994
safe, reliable lithium

922
00:33:08,375 --> 00:33:08,875
batteries

923
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:12,140
that allow us to stay out there off

924
00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:13,440
the grid longer.

925
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:17,100
Lithium batteries charge faster. They charge fuller. They're

926
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:20,380
longer lasting. They're maintenance free. And battle born

927
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:24,000
batteries are protected by a 10 year guarantee.

928
00:33:24,674 --> 00:33:27,154
Now in our case, they just dropped into

929
00:33:27,154 --> 00:33:27,894
the existing

930
00:33:28,195 --> 00:33:31,154
AGM batteries that we have, and they'll probably

931
00:33:31,154 --> 00:33:32,775
be the same on your rig too.

932
00:33:33,075 --> 00:33:35,875
Battle Born battery experts can get those in

933
00:33:35,875 --> 00:33:38,009
your rig just like they did with ours.

934
00:33:38,009 --> 00:33:39,450
They can also match you up with the

935
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:42,330
right cabling, the inverter, the charger, the solar

936
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:43,390
controller, everything.

937
00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:46,570
Jennifer and I swear by our Battle Born

938
00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:48,830
batteries. They allow us to boondock

939
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:51,794
off the grid. Check them out. Go to

940
00:33:51,794 --> 00:33:52,294
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941
00:33:58,035 --> 00:34:00,214
Welcome back, everybody. Time now for the RV

942
00:34:00,275 --> 00:34:00,775
questions

943
00:34:01,154 --> 00:34:03,990
of the week. Alright. From Gary, is it

944
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:06,070
true that if your RV is older than

945
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:07,130
10 years old

946
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:09,590
that you, can't park it in a lot

947
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:11,829
of parks? We get this question a lot,

948
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:12,329
and

949
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:13,590
it is true.

950
00:34:14,150 --> 00:34:15,050
In our experiences,

951
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:18,464
it's it's it's a rule they all have,

952
00:34:18,464 --> 00:34:20,304
many of them have, most of them have

953
00:34:20,304 --> 00:34:20,804
probably,

954
00:34:21,344 --> 00:34:21,585
but,

955
00:34:22,464 --> 00:34:23,204
it's only

956
00:34:23,824 --> 00:34:26,065
in there because if you come in and

957
00:34:26,065 --> 00:34:28,644
your RV is a real piece of junk,

958
00:34:29,505 --> 00:34:31,824
they can then cite that and send you

959
00:34:31,824 --> 00:34:32,324
packing.

960
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,460
If the RV is well maintained,

961
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:37,079
it looks good. If it has a lot

962
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,719
of obvious defects, it's rusty, and it looks

963
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,340
like it's on its last legs,

964
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,219
the parks have have that rule,

965
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,394
and they can exclude those kind of rigs

966
00:34:46,394 --> 00:34:48,875
that they think would, you know, reflect poorly

967
00:34:48,875 --> 00:34:50,715
on the on the park. Yeah. Especially when

968
00:34:50,715 --> 00:34:53,114
everybody leaves reviews, and somebody says, oh, I

969
00:34:53,114 --> 00:34:55,114
went there, and there was really a piece

970
00:34:55,114 --> 00:34:57,195
of, you know, junk park next to me,

971
00:34:57,195 --> 00:34:59,275
and I won't go back there. Now we

972
00:34:59,275 --> 00:35:00,000
were at,

973
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,840
a, a KOA Mhmm. In Canada this this

974
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,340
summer.

975
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,639
And, we went for a walk, and it

976
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,639
and there was one there were a bunch

977
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,699
of older RVs. They obviously, you know, supplemented

978
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,324
the overnight fees by long term rentals.

979
00:35:14,644 --> 00:35:15,844
It was kind of at the back end

980
00:35:15,844 --> 00:35:17,525
of the of the campground, but it was

981
00:35:17,525 --> 00:35:19,284
just a mess. There was a ratty old

982
00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:20,585
sofa out in front,

983
00:35:21,525 --> 00:35:23,385
looked like the tires were flat.

984
00:35:23,764 --> 00:35:25,684
It was just junky. It was so bad

985
00:35:25,684 --> 00:35:27,065
I took a picture of it,

986
00:35:27,570 --> 00:35:29,969
And then, and obviously people saw me taking

987
00:35:29,969 --> 00:35:30,630
the picture.

988
00:35:31,329 --> 00:35:33,090
And the next the next day we walked

989
00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:34,769
around, it was they cleaned it out. Was

990
00:35:34,769 --> 00:35:36,610
gone. Sofa was gone, and they had cleaned

991
00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:38,610
it up a lot a little bit. Oh.

992
00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:40,610
They cleaned up the lot a lot. There

993
00:35:40,610 --> 00:35:41,269
we go.

994
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,515
We have heard some parks that say, hey,

995
00:35:44,515 --> 00:35:46,835
send us a photo if your RV is

996
00:35:46,835 --> 00:35:48,914
older than 10 years, and you can you

997
00:35:48,914 --> 00:35:51,555
can understand. You don't want junky stuff in

998
00:35:51,555 --> 00:35:53,735
there, so send them a picture. That's okay.

999
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:57,739
Another thing that we've have encountered back in

1000
00:35:57,739 --> 00:36:00,000
our class b days is that some resorts

1001
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,640
Resorts. Notice that RV resorts

1002
00:36:03,099 --> 00:36:05,840
don't allow class b vans or camper vans,

1003
00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:07,739
no matter what condition they're in. They only

1004
00:36:07,739 --> 00:36:11,315
want class a's, or upgraded 5th wheels, or

1005
00:36:11,315 --> 00:36:13,555
super c's, you know. Yeah. We camped at

1006
00:36:13,555 --> 00:36:15,414
a place that was pretty upscale,

1007
00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:17,155
and they we were in a little b

1008
00:36:17,155 --> 00:36:19,335
then, and they put us by the trash.

1009
00:36:19,394 --> 00:36:21,875
Well, what was funny is they they reached

1010
00:36:21,875 --> 00:36:23,954
out to us, and they said, hey, come

1011
00:36:23,954 --> 00:36:25,474
do a story on our spot. And we

1012
00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:26,615
were in that area,

1013
00:36:27,090 --> 00:36:27,989
Naples, Florida,

1014
00:36:28,369 --> 00:36:30,369
and we said, okay. So we came in,

1015
00:36:30,369 --> 00:36:32,450
and then they all kinda they saw us,

1016
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:34,230
and their little noses were going,

1017
00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:35,650
and,

1018
00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:37,750
you have a class b.

1019
00:36:38,289 --> 00:36:40,230
Yeah. Well, we're a class a resort.

1020
00:36:40,625 --> 00:36:41,125
Well,

1021
00:36:41,425 --> 00:36:43,284
why did you invite us here then?

1022
00:36:43,744 --> 00:36:46,144
Well, they conferred, and they put us right

1023
00:36:46,144 --> 00:36:48,164
in the back next to the trash bins.

1024
00:36:48,545 --> 00:36:49,605
And that was fine.

1025
00:36:49,905 --> 00:36:51,204
It was okay, but

1026
00:36:51,664 --> 00:36:53,204
I love to tell you that story.

1027
00:36:53,744 --> 00:36:54,964
It's kinda fun. You know?

1028
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:58,170
It happens to everybody, I guess. Yep. But

1029
00:36:58,170 --> 00:37:00,809
generally speaking, at most campgrounds, if your RV

1030
00:37:00,809 --> 00:37:02,890
is well maintained, if it's clean, in good

1031
00:37:02,890 --> 00:37:05,289
mechanical condition, you should be fine even if

1032
00:37:05,289 --> 00:37:07,210
it's over 10 years, but they do have

1033
00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:07,949
that rule.

1034
00:37:08,394 --> 00:37:10,235
Alright. 2nd question, this one is for you,

1035
00:37:10,235 --> 00:37:10,954
Jennifer, and,

1036
00:37:11,434 --> 00:37:12,894
Megan says, Jennifer,

1037
00:37:13,595 --> 00:37:15,355
what do you use for a vacuum cleaner

1038
00:37:15,355 --> 00:37:17,035
when you're RV? It always looks so clean

1039
00:37:17,035 --> 00:37:18,954
and sparkling, and I've heard you talk about

1040
00:37:18,954 --> 00:37:22,359
vacuuming it before and after trips. Well, we

1041
00:37:22,359 --> 00:37:24,619
use a shark cordless vacuum

1042
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,000
we bought from Amazon. In fact, we liked

1043
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,099
it so much, we've bought 2 of them.

1044
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,059
It's a full height vacuum that can easily

1045
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:34,119
be turned into a handheld one. Yep. I

1046
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:35,800
love that little vacuum. I mean, it isn't

1047
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,835
the world's powerful vacuum, but it more than

1048
00:37:37,835 --> 00:37:39,295
does what I want it to do.

1049
00:37:39,835 --> 00:37:40,155
It's,

1050
00:37:40,635 --> 00:37:43,034
great for vacuuming up sand and dirt and

1051
00:37:43,034 --> 00:37:45,434
mud and bow hair. And the unit we

1052
00:37:45,434 --> 00:37:48,795
have is is the shark pet cordless stick

1053
00:37:48,795 --> 00:37:50,579
vacuum. I'll put a I'll put a link

1054
00:37:50,579 --> 00:37:51,239
to it

1055
00:37:51,619 --> 00:37:54,260
in the show notes, for this episode, and

1056
00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:55,799
you find that at rv lifestyle.com/podcast.

1057
00:37:57,859 --> 00:38:00,019
And it has several attachment. And as I

1058
00:38:00,019 --> 00:38:01,799
recall, we paid something like a $130

1059
00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:04,404
for it. Yeah. I think so. You know,

1060
00:38:04,404 --> 00:38:06,244
it's ironic because we do have that, and

1061
00:38:06,244 --> 00:38:08,264
we also have in this Montana,

1062
00:38:08,724 --> 00:38:11,065
we have a central vacuum system,

1063
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and we've never used it.

1064
00:38:13,764 --> 00:38:15,525
We've never used it. We probably should. All

1065
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the accessories are underneath the bed in storage.

1066
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We we really should just to see how

1067
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it works. But I just keep the upright

1068
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out Yep. In the corner Yeah. Because we

1069
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have many occasions to use it, you know,

1070
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with the dog and Yep. With

1071
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these 2 people that camp in it that

1072
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don't take their shoes off. You know, there's

1073
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both of us. You know, there's reason just

1074
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get it out quick and vacuum. Yep.

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Alright. That is the podcast, for this episode.

1076
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We would love to hear from you. Your

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comments on any of the items we discussed

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today,

1079
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your questions that we you would like us

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to answer. We, appreciate you guys so much

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